From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>, Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
Alexander Shishkin <alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com>,
Arnaldo Carvalho de Melo <acme@kernel.org>,
Jiri Olsa <jolsa@redhat.com>, Song Liu <songliubraving@fb.com>,
Daniel Borkmann <daniel@iogearbox.net>,
Alexei Starovoitov <ast@kernel.org>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] perf, bpf: Retain kernel executable code in memory to aid Intel PT tracing
Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2019 10:53:41 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <76a91fb3-0f4e-c55f-3176-3ad9a996e936@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20190207200211.GG32477@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 7/02/19 10:02 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 01:19:01PM +0200, Adrian Hunter wrote:
>> Subject to memory pressure and other limits, retain executable code, such
>> as JIT-compiled bpf, in memory instead of freeing it immediately it is no
>> longer needed for execution.
>>
>> While perf is primarily aimed at statistical analysis, tools like Intel
>> PT can aim to provide a trace of exactly what happened. As such, corner
>> cases that can be overlooked statistically need to be addressed. For
>> example, there is a gap where JIT-compiled bpf can be freed from memory
>> before a tracer has a chance to read it out through the bpf syscall.
>> While that can be ignored statistically, it contributes to a death by
>> 1000 cuts for tracers attempting to assemble exactly what happened. This is
>> a bit gratuitous given that retaining the executable code is relatively
>> simple, and the amount of memory involved relatively small. The retained
>> executable code is then available in memory images such as /proc/kcore.
>>
>> This facility could perhaps be extended also to init sections.
>>
>> Note that this patch is compile tested only and, at present, is missing
>> the ability to retain symbols.
>
> You don't need the symbols; you already have them through
> PERF_RECORD_KSYMBOL.
And you intend to use that for module loading/unloading also?
>
> Also; afaict this patch guarantees exactly nothing. It registers a
> shrinker which will (given enough memory pressure) happily free your
> text before we get around to copying it out.
No, there is a minimum size (default 0) which is not subject to the shrinker.
>
> Did you read this proposal?
Please cc me on anything affecting Intel PT decoding.
>
> https://lkml.kernel.org/r/20190109101808.GG1900@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net
>
> (also: s/KCORE_QC/KCORE_QS/ for quiescent state)
>
> That would create an RCU like interface to /proc/kcore and give you the
> guarantees you need, while also allowing the memory to get freed once
> you've obtained a copy.
So, open /proc/kcore and it pins all executable code in memory?
Do you intend to extend that to module / module init unloads?
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2019-02-08 8:55 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2019-02-07 11:19 Adrian Hunter
2019-02-07 20:02 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-08 8:53 ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2019-02-08 9:12 ` Peter Zijlstra
2019-02-11 7:46 ` Ingo Molnar
2019-02-08 23:29 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-11 7:54 ` Adrian Hunter
2019-02-11 8:18 ` Alexei Starovoitov
2019-02-11 8:24 ` Adrian Hunter
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