From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from mail.lichtvoll.de (lichtvoll.de [37.120.160.25]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by smtp.subspace.kernel.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 0B75D1DA60B; Thu, 21 Nov 2024 21:32:47 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; arc=none smtp.client-ip=37.120.160.25 ARC-Seal:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1732224770; cv=none; b=WK3iFSilED86MgnYZQTfno5Xk1gcLUfZLNsVLCl4Y5a69e3yToTwy4VmCeSiIviseER0sxVWNTd4FzU/pXT6Q22t742DRU0qrJDjvT2ucDNDMMz4SIt5xa8Na2oWfCLHzhJBhuERuhJ3ZaMv+8LWKSoGbe3KciB9eoQDIprQ9hk= ARC-Message-Signature:i=1; a=rsa-sha256; d=subspace.kernel.org; s=arc-20240116; t=1732224770; c=relaxed/simple; bh=f2zjqGjXIS0zXz+SfweyuQuJmizq0SK3ammdZElZGAQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:Date:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:References: MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=eIFRKwS1zqLQzMmk1aiqF6+9Ks4W2KL9zp8f6WyANsurXKsSWa1qP/kyLLitaE/M33XamttcnC+Usx750sjQkvXTK6pt76Qc6jx4g03y9EYWPaoPN8h5fwLDwqixRPfpQWYc/1M1rspHonzsADmvVWFUb4JKfdnEy8bRvhBRBnk= ARC-Authentication-Results:i=1; smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lichtvoll.de; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lichtvoll.de; arc=none smtp.client-ip=37.120.160.25 Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; dmarc=none (p=none dis=none) header.from=lichtvoll.de Authentication-Results: smtp.subspace.kernel.org; spf=pass smtp.mailfrom=lichtvoll.de Received: from 127.0.0.1 (localhost [127.0.0.1]) (using TLSv1.3 with cipher TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (256/256 bits) key-exchange X25519 server-signature ECDSA (secp384r1) server-digest SHA384) (No client certificate requested) by mail.lichtvoll.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DFC898FC39; Thu, 21 Nov 2024 21:32:44 +0000 (UTC) Authentication-Results: mail.lichtvoll.de; auth=pass smtp.auth=martin@lichtvoll.de smtp.mailfrom=martin@lichtvoll.de From: Martin Steigerwald To: Kent Overstreet , Theodore Ts'o Cc: Shuah Khan , Michal Hocko , Dave Chinner , Andrew Morton , Christoph Hellwig , Yafang Shao , jack@suse.cz, Christian Brauner , Alexander Viro , Paul Moore , James Morris , "Serge E. Hallyn" , linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org, linux-bcachefs@vger.kernel.org, linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, "conduct@kernel.org" Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2 v2] bcachefs: do not use PF_MEMALLOC_NORECLAIM Date: Thu, 21 Nov 2024 22:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: <7747240.EvYhyI6sBW@lichtvoll.de> In-Reply-To: <20241120234759.GA3707860@mit.edu> References: <20241120234759.GA3707860@mit.edu> Precedence: bulk X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-Id: List-Subscribe: List-Unsubscribe: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7Bit Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi Ted, hi everyone. Theodore Ts'o - 21.11.24, 00:47:59 MEZ: > If you look at the git history of the kernel sources, you will see > that a large number of your fellow maintainers assented to this > approach --- for example by providing their Acked-by in commit > 1279dbeed36f ("Code of Conduct Interpretation: Add document explaining > how the Code of Conduct is to be interpreted"). A large number of people agreeing on a process like this does not automatically make it an effective idea for resolving conflict. As I outlined in my other mail, this kind of forced public apology approach in my point of view is just serving to escalate matters. And actually it seems that exactly that just happened right now. See my other mail for suggestions on what I think might work better. A large number of people agreeing on anything does not automatically make it right. I'd suggest to avoid any kind of power-play like "we are more than you" in here. What would respectful communication would look like? What does happen if *everyone* involved considers how it might feel in the shoes of the other one? I have and claim no standing in kernel community. So take this for whatever it is worth for you. I won't be offended in case you disregard it. Also I do not need any reply. And again, just for clarity: I certainly do not condone of the tone Kent has used. Best, -- Martin