From: Zi Yan <ziy@nvidia.com>
To: "Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)" <ljs@kernel.org>
Cc: Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Nimrod Oren <noren@nvidia.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCH v2] mm/khugepaged: cap min_free_kbytes recommendation at 1 GiB
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2026 11:00:13 -0400 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <784BE9B6-F891-4DFE-A4C5-D1986CE0F242@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <apVKf8FgTG-l2EU_@gremlin>
On 31 Aug 2026, at 5:34, Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM) wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 31, 2026 at 11:20:30AM +0200, Michal Hocko wrote:
>> On Mon 31-08-26 10:56:35, Nimrod Oren wrote:
>>> When THP is enabled, set_recommended_min_free_kbytes() may raise
>>> min_free_kbytes using a heuristic that scales with pageblock_nr_pages.
>>> With MIGRATE_PCPTYPES equal to 3, the formula accounts for 11
>>> pageblocks for every eligible populated zone before capping the result
>>> at 5% of low memory.
>>>
>>> This is reasonable when a pageblock is 2 MiB, as on common 4 KiB page
>>> configurations, but scales poorly with larger base page sizes. With
>>> the default arm64 pageblock sizes, the contribution per eligible zone
>>> before the 5% cap is:
>>>
>>> 4 KiB pages: 2 MiB pageblock, 22 MiB per zone
>>> 16 KiB pages: 32 MiB pageblock, 352 MiB per zone
>>> 64 KiB pages: 512 MiB pageblock, 5.5 GiB per zone
>>>
>>> Consequently, min_free_kbytes can reach excessive and unwanted levels.
>>>
>>> Add an absolute 1 GiB cap to the recommendation, in addition to the
>>> existing percentage cap. This bounds the automatic recommendation to a
>>> sane value on systems with large pageblocks while preserving existing
>>> behavior for typical systems with 2 MiB pageblocks.
>>
>> I would argue that the whole model of increasing min_free_kbytes for THP
>> is wrong. This will trigger memory reclaim sooner and make the THP
>> availability more likely but this was at times where we didn't have
>> pro-active compaction and many changes in the compaction. So is this
>> actually needed in general resp. only large pageblocks systems?
>
> Ohh even better :)
>
> I did find it strange that we increased accordingly.
>
> I'm more than happy to see this just die altogether if people agree that's
> a sensible way forward...
It sounds reasonable to me.
My first reaction was that THP generation might be hurt due to fewer
free pages. But probably the extra min_free_kbytes just moves reclaim earlier,
like Michal said.
After removing this automatic min_free_kbytes bump, user can retain the old
behavior by setting a higher min_free_kbytes at boot time.
Best Regards,
Yan, Zi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-08-31 15:00 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 11+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-31 7:56 Nimrod Oren
2026-08-31 8:47 ` Kiryl Shutsemau
2026-08-31 8:57 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-31 9:00 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-31 9:00 ` Lance Yang
2026-08-31 15:01 ` Zi Yan
2026-08-31 9:20 ` Michal Hocko
2026-08-31 9:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-31 15:00 ` Zi Yan [this message]
2026-08-31 15:59 ` Lorenzo Stoakes (ARM)
2026-08-31 17:08 ` Nimrod Oren
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