From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1161027AbWGOVJa (ORCPT ); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:09:30 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1161041AbWGOVJa (ORCPT ); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:09:30 -0400 Received: from ug-out-1314.google.com ([66.249.92.173]:46536 "EHLO ug-out-1314.google.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1161027AbWGOVJ3 (ORCPT ); Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:09:29 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=MoQdpse+S1FCuMrq8qaN4fMpEhP4+fgirr25nOF+Tp629ST/wEtE5OtFlc+JVRNjf9Jy3PmXllGnDNLuN3OaQtnR3DwmMuiGeRN1pdimtQOqXdYytuyrOzyG/YDj1hE3eEy0hSUMTEsSEX5kjpE3+aPFGNdzoTtKnqG9AoKFBS0= Message-ID: <787b0d920607151409q4d0dfcc1wc787d9dfe7b0a897@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 15 Jul 2006 17:09:28 -0400 From: "Albert Cahalan" To: dwmw2@infradead.org, arjan@infradead.org, maillist@jg555.com, ralf@linux-mips.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net Subject: Re: 2.6.18 Headers - Long MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org David Woodhouse writes: > Kernel headers are _not_ a library of random crap for userspace to use. The attraction is that the kernel abstractions are very nice. Much of the POSIX API sucks ass. The kernel stuff is NOT crap. Here we have a full-featured set of atomic ops, byte swapping with readable names and a distinction for pointers, nice macros for efficient data structure manipulation... Sure, you'd like all the app developers to write bloated C++ and use sucky POSIX threads stuff, but then you're not the one who has to write or maintain it. Don't blame app developers if they go for what is good. To stop them, provide the goodness in a sane way. (alternately, make the Linux code suck ass more than POSIX)