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From: "Albert Cahalan" <acahalan@gmail.com>
To: "Roland McGrath" <roland@redhat.com>
Cc: "Eric W. Biederman" <ebiederm@xmission.com>,
	"Oleg Nesterov" <oleg@tv-sign.ru>,
	"Andrew Morton" <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Ingo Molnar" <mingo@elte.hu>, "Robin Holt" <holt@sgi.com>,
	"Linus Torvalds" <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	"Chris Snook" <csnook@redhat.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	"Jack Steiner" <steiner@americas.sgi.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] Only send pdeath_signal when getppid changes.
Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2007 23:17:11 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <787b0d920704102017g7b7a1b04k4e7b1cae8ea5380@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20070410174852.88661D82F8@pipsqueak.sf.frob.com>

On 4/10/07, Roland McGrath <roland@redhat.com> wrote:
> > Does a parent death signal make most sense between separately written programs?
>
> I don't think it does.  It has always seemed an utterly cockamamy feature
> to me, and I've never understood what actually motivated it.

It's useful, but the other case is more important.

> > Does a parent death signal make most sense between processes that are part of
> > a larger program.
>
> That is the only way I can really see it being used.  The only actual
> example of use I know is what Albert Cahalan reported.  To my mind, the
> only semantics that matter for pdeath_signal are what previous uses
> expected in the past and still need for compatibility.  If we started with
> a fresh rationale from the ground up on what the feature is good for, I am
> rather skeptical it would pass muster to be added today.

Until inotify and dnotify work on /proc/12345/task, there really isn't
an alternative for some of us. Polling is unusable.

Ideally one could pick any container, session, process group,
mm, task group, or task for notification of state change.
State change means various things like destruction, addition
of something new, exec, etc. (stuff one can see in /proc)
With appropriate privs, having the debug-related stuff would be
good as well.

  reply	other threads:[~2007-04-11  3:17 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 89+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-04-05 19:51 init's children list is long and slows reaping children Robin Holt
2007-04-05 20:57 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06  0:51   ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06  1:03     ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06  1:29     ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06  2:15       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 10:43         ` Robin Holt
2007-04-06 15:38           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 16:31             ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 17:32               ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 17:39                 ` Roland Dreier
2007-04-06 18:04                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 18:30                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:18                   ` [patch] sched: get rid of p->children use in show_task() Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 19:22                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 13:48                   ` init's children list is long and slows reaping children Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 13:38                     ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-10 15:00                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:16                       ` [PATCH] Only send pdeath_signal when getppid changes Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 16:37                         ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-10 17:41                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 17:48                             ` Roland McGrath
2007-04-11  3:17                               ` Albert Cahalan [this message]
2007-04-10 14:51                     ` init's children list is long and slows reaping children Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:06                       ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 15:22                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10 15:53                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10 16:17                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-11  6:20                             ` [patch] uninline remove/add_parent() APIs Ingo Molnar
2007-04-11  7:00                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-11 22:06                                 ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-12 10:45                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-12 22:50                                   ` Roland McGrath
2007-04-10 16:44                       ` init's children list is long and slows reaping children Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-11 19:55                         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-11 20:17                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-11 21:24                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-11 20:19                           ` Oleg Nesterov
2007-04-06 18:02               ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 18:21               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 18:56                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 19:16                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 19:19                     ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-06 21:29                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 21:51                         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 22:31                           ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-06 22:46                             ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 22:59                               ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-09  8:28                           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-09 18:09                             ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-09 19:28                               ` Kyle Moffett
2007-04-09 19:51                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-09 20:03                                   ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-10 15:12                                     ` Bill Davidsen
2007-04-10 19:17                                       ` Davide Libenzi
2007-04-09 20:00                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 16:41             ` Robin Holt
2007-04-09 17:37         ` Chris Snook
2007-04-06 18:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2007-04-06 19:39         ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-06 22:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-06 22:51   ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-06 23:37     ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-11  7:28       ` Nick Piggin
2007-04-10  0:23   ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  0:48     ` Eric W. Biederman
2007-04-10  1:15       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  6:53       ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  9:42       ` Robin Holt
2007-04-10  1:59     ` Dave Jones
2007-04-10  2:30       ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  2:46         ` Linus Torvalds
2007-04-10  7:07           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10 22:20             ` Ingo Oeser
2007-04-10  5:07         ` Alexey Dobriyan
2007-04-10  5:21           ` Dave Jones
2007-04-10  6:09         ` Torsten Kaiser
2007-04-10  7:08           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  7:05         ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  7:37           ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  8:33             ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  8:41               ` Andrew Morton
2007-04-10  8:48                 ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10 22:35                   ` Ingo Oeser
2007-04-10 16:35           ` Matt Mackall
2007-04-10  7:44         ` Russell King
2007-04-10  8:16           ` Jeff Garzik
2007-04-10  8:59           ` Ingo Molnar
2007-04-10  9:33             ` Jeff Garzik

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