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From: Shawn Lin <shawn.lin@linux.dev>
To: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
Cc: shawn.lin@linux.dev, linux-mmc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Shawn Lin <shawn.lin@rock-chips.com>,
	Ulf Hansson <ulfh@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] mmc: core: apply a per-command tuning timeout instead of the whole sequence budget
Date: Thu, 24 Sep 2026 15:44:44 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <79f82832-c805-4ae3-8204-495bab068dd5@linux.dev> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <da386006-9673-4774-85fb-3a145fc972bf@intel.com>

Hi Adrian,

在 2026/09/24 星期四 15:18, Adrian Hunter 写道:
> On 16/09/2026 06:49, Shawn Lin wrote:
>> From: Shawn Lin <shawn.lin@linux.dev>
>>
>> The tuning specs guarantee that a *sequence* of 40 tuning commands
>> completes within 150 ms, exclusive of any host overhead:
>>
>>    eMMC, JESD84-B51B 6.6.5.1 "Sampling Tuning Sequence for HS200":
>>
>>      "The Device is guaranteed to complete a sequence of 40 times CMD21
>>      executions within 150 ms. This is exclusive of any host overhead."
>>
>>    SD Physical Layer Specification Version 4.00:
>>
>>      "The card shall complete a sequence of 40 times CMD19 executions
>>      in no more than 150ms. The tuning process is normally shorter than
>>      40 executions of CMD19, and therefore should be shorter than
>>      150 ms."
>>
>> mmc_send_tuning() however applied that 150 ms as the data timeout of
>> every single CMD19/CMD21, i.e. 40x the per-execution budget implied
>> by the specs (150 ms / 40 = 3.75 ms of device time, excluding host
>> overhead).
>>
>> The data timeout only matters for tuning commands where the device
>> never returns the tuning block at all; a wrong sampling phase
>> normally fails fast with a CRC error instead.  Waiting 150 ms per
>> such test makes software phase scanning painfully slow.  With
>> dw_mmc-rockchip HS200 eMMC the TMOUT register saturates at ~112 ms
>> for the requested 150 ms, and dw_mmc's execute_tuning() scans every
>> phase of the tuning window, stalling that long on each phase that
>> misses the window.  Multi-second boot slowdowns have been reported[1].
>>
>> Note that SDHCI hosts are unaffected: sdhci_send_tuning() does not
>> use mmc_send_tuning() (the hardware generates and checks the tuning
>> pattern itself) and bounds every tuning command to 50 ms in software
>> (sdhci.c).  The SDHCI variants which scan the tuning phases manually
>> through mmc_send_tuning() -- sdhci-msm, sdhci-omap, sdhci-tegra,
>> sdhci-cadence, sdhci-esdhc-imx, sdhci_am654, sdhci-of-k1,
>> sdhci-of-dwcmshc (CV180x), sdhci-of-bst and the AMD sdhci-pci
>> variant -- suffer from the same excessive per-command timeout and
>> benefit from this change as well.
>>
>> Use 5 ms per tuning command.  For reference, the device serves the
>> tuning block straight out of its SD/MMC IP (no storage access is
>> involved), so even in the slowest reasonable setup -- a 64-byte
>> tuning block at 50 MHz over a 4-bit bus -- the block transfer alone
>> takes ~2.6 us, and a full tuning transaction only a few us of bus
>> time.  5 ms is ~1.3x the spec-implied per-execution device budget
>> (150 ms / 40 = 3.75 ms, excluding host overhead), 30x below the
>> 150 ms ceiling, and the reporter verified that tuning keeps passing
>> with it on dw_mmc-rockchip HS200 eMMC.  Even in the worst case where
>> every tuning command times out, the whole tuning process stays
>> bounded within a few hundred milliseconds.
>>
>> This also bounds the cost of runtime re-tuning, not just the tuning
>> performed at enumeration time.
>>
>> [1] Link: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=221781
>> Signed-off-by: Shawn Lin <shawn.lin@linux.dev>
>> ---
>>
>>   drivers/mmc/core/mmc_ops.c | 30 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++----
>>   1 file changed, 26 insertions(+), 4 deletions(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/drivers/mmc/core/mmc_ops.c b/drivers/mmc/core/mmc_ops.c
>> index a952cc8..abcdcf8 100644
>> --- a/drivers/mmc/core/mmc_ops.c
>> +++ b/drivers/mmc/core/mmc_ops.c
>> @@ -708,11 +708,33 @@ int mmc_send_tuning(struct mmc_host *host, u32 opcode, int *cmd_error)
>>   	data.flags = MMC_DATA_READ;
>>   
>>   	/*
>> -	 * According to the tuning specs, Tuning process
>> -	 * is normally shorter 40 executions of CMD19,
>> -	 * and timeout value should be shorter than 150 ms
>> +	 * JESD84-B51B 6.6.5.1, "Sampling Tuning Sequence for HS200":
>> +	 *
>> +	 *   "The Device is guaranteed to complete a sequence of 40 times
>> +	 *   CMD21 executions within 150 ms. This is exclusive of any
>> +	 *   host overhead."
>> +	 *
>> +	 * SD Physical Layer Specification Version 4.00:
>> +	 *
>> +	 *   "The card shall complete a sequence of 40 times CMD19
>> +	 *   executions in no more than 150ms. The tuning process is
>> +	 *   normally shorter than 40 executions of CMD19, and therefore
>> +	 *   should be shorter than 150 ms."
>> +	 *
>> +	 * Both specs bound a *sequence* of 40 tuning commands, i.e. at
>> +	 * most 150/40 ms (3.75 ms) of device time per command, excluding
>> +	 * host overhead.  And that is generous: the device serves the
>> +	 * tuning block straight from its SD/MMC IP, no storage access
>> +	 * involved, so the whole transaction is only a few us of bus
>> +	 * time even in the slowest reasonable setup (64 bytes at
>> +	 * 50 MHz, 4-bit takes ~2.6 us).  The timeout exists solely to
>> +	 * catch devices which never return the block at all.
>> +	 *
>> +	 * Use 5 ms per command: ~1.3x the spec-implied per-command
>> +	 * budget for host overhead and slower devices, still 30x below
>> +	 * the 150 ms bound.
>>   	 */
>> -	data.timeout_ns = 150 * NSEC_PER_MSEC;
>> +	data.timeout_ns = 5 * NSEC_PER_MSEC;
> 
> Perhaps it is safer to let drivers provide an override value,
> either as an mmc_host member or create
> mmc_send_tuning_timeout(host, opcode, cmd_error, timeout_ns)
> 

This is less likely to cause a regression. Nice idea.

I plan to introduce mmc_send_tuning_timeout() in v2 and convert
dw_mmc-rockchip to use it with a smaller timeout. Other platforms
that also care about the overly long per-command timeout can opt
in individually later.

Thanks for the suggestion.


>>   
>>   	data.sg = &sg;
>>   	data.sg_len = 1;
> 


      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-24  7:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 3+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-16  3:49 Shawn Lin
2026-09-24  7:18 ` Adrian Hunter
2026-09-24  7:44   ` Shawn Lin [this message]

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