From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S967332AbdKRHiI (ORCPT ); Sat, 18 Nov 2017 02:38:08 -0500 Received: from smtps.newmedia-net.de ([185.84.6.167]:36995 "EHLO webmail.newmedia-net.de" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-FAIL) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S967317AbdKRHh7 (ORCPT ); Sat, 18 Nov 2017 02:37:59 -0500 Subject: Re: Linux 3.10.108 (EOL) To: Alan Cox , Greg KH Cc: Willy Tarreau , Harsh Shandilya , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, stable@vger.kernel.org References: <20171104230639.GA25503@1wt.eu> <20171105074659.GA26639@1wt.eu> <29db159f-7cb3-1a4f-28a2-73830f8afc22@dd-wrt.com> <20171114221844.GA3929@1wt.eu> <20171115043202.GA4315@1wt.eu> <03a3f3bc-eb2a-ab83-1016-a45ed9169648@dd-wrt.com> <20171115085024.GB24542@kroah.com> <20171117234620.064b6498@alans-desktop> From: Sebastian Gottschall Message-ID: <7a550bff-e42b-2c06-a50a-e834ec5bebe9@dd-wrt.com> Date: Sat, 18 Nov 2017 08:37:55 +0100 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:56.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/56.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20171117234620.064b6498@alans-desktop> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org Am 18.11.2017 um 00:46 schrieb Alan Cox: >>> i just wanted to throw some stones on the bloated kernel problem which is >>> increasing >> People used to be working on that, but then it seemed like the "size" >> got to a point that people were comfortable with it. Are you sure that > There's also a lot of pushback to things that add a ton of ifdefs. > >> just changing some build options would not make your image smaller? >> Letting people know sometime in the past few years that the kernel was >> getting "too big" for you would have been good to do :) > It's also an increasingly hard problem to deal with because the scale of > big machines means the algorithms themselves in a modern Linux OS just > don't make sense for a tiddly embedded router. > > I know lots of people build them that way but if you compare it with one > of the more conservative *BSD builds you have to wonder why not use BSD > instead - especially with nanoBSD ? > > (and BSD has the reverse problem - most BSD does not scale to a modern > bigger machine of course). > > Alan > "1.2.13 was the last true Linux" ;-) > easy. i have to port alot of cpu platforms to bsd then and since i'm doing wireless routers i will run into a problem with all the drivers i have to rewrite for bsd and the bsd wireless stack is simply shit its basicly a impossible task. and most of my code is gpl licensed. mmh mixing with bsd code, not a good idea -- Mit freundlichen Grüssen / Regards Sebastian Gottschall / CTO NewMedia-NET GmbH - DD-WRT Firmensitz: Stubenwaldallee 21a, 64625 Bensheim Registergericht: Amtsgericht Darmstadt, HRB 25473 Geschäftsführer: Peter Steinhäuser, Christian Scheele http://www.dd-wrt.com email: s.gottschall@dd-wrt.com Tel.: +496251-582650 / Fax: +496251-5826565