From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S932258AbWFLVKn (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:43 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S932261AbWFLVKm (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:42 -0400 Received: from wx-out-0102.google.com ([66.249.82.192]:41763 "EHLO wx-out-0102.google.com") by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S932258AbWFLVKm (ORCPT ); Mon, 12 Jun 2006 17:10:42 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=e0P1unKIL013sKCfGeDkOZFMCNwqeWnIoiLYUHuAiyY0FD1WLdzAtxoMb2LXL36lAp1WHInqSek/ULvxC2m4PZqadYHhItWY2Id+AVczFCGND+pf/3WN75CAdZlQEQU83uS5EkCHsL3PpfcUJA5BANSBYEGuWniw2xd76sLmllg= Message-ID: <7c3341450606121410y7f2349e1y7d8ecf3f3873732@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2006 22:10:41 +0100 From: "Nick Warne" Reply-To: nick@linicks.net To: "Horst von Brand" Subject: Re: VGER does gradual SPF activation (FAQ matter) Cc: "Bernd Petrovitsch" , "marty fouts" , "David Woodhouse" , "Matti Aarnio" , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org In-Reply-To: <200606122025.k5CKPTGB005597@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <1150100843.26402.22.camel@tara.firmix.at> <200606122025.k5CKPTGB005597@laptop11.inf.utfsm.cl> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org I have been following this closely, and without getting into the discussion re SPF, I think one issue especially affecting LKML is the traffic. One (almost sure) fire way to stop the spam is to make a subscribed ML. But people like myself cannot/have not the resource to take on the 200+ mails a day (how the kernel devs manage it, I don't know?). So I have subscribed via my gmail account to follow the mails, but then at least I can reply from my 'real address' and keep the thread intact (if you see what I mean). So, why not make the list a subscribe only list to SEND, but give an option to NOT receive any mail from the list unless CC'ed? Nick On 12/06/06, Horst von Brand wrote: > Bernd Petrovitsch wrote: > > On Sat, 2006-06-10 at 19:24 -0700, marty fouts wrote: > > [...] > > > > It doesn't work. > > > It works if it is used correctly (as any tool in the world). > > Right. > > > The "problem" is that postmasters on the Net must do something > > It took /years/ until open relays weren't common anymore... and that is a > /simple/ measure, on by default in newer upstream packages, no admin > intervention required. DNS works badly, here in Chile a mayor ISP had a > totally broken setup for many years. > > > (namely > > 1) define if they want to allow others to detect forged emails claimed > > to come from their domain > > They have /very/ little to gain by that, and setting it up correctly is a > mayor hassle. It breaks people sending mail "from" the domain when they > aren't there (this is rather common for people on the road), and has no > real fix. I.e., it won't ever be done. Or it will be tried, some email from > Big Cheese doesn't go through, and it will be axed. > > > and 2) - if yes to 1) - to get appropriate SPF > > records into DNS) > > Many people have no (or very little) control over their DNS data. A spammer > can then just claim it comes from one of the millions of SPF-less domains > in the world (if they don't set up their own SPFied one...). Besides, > discussions on the spamassassin lists show that SPFied email is a rather > reliable indicator of spam as things stand today... > > > and people must either use a "good" mail relay (and > > not just the one next door) or convince postmasters to change the SPF > > records. > > Won't happen. > > > > It'll break standard-abiding email. > > > As you see, standards change. > > Yep. But SPF breaks email, not just changes the standard. For no gain at > all. > > > > Do you really want that? > > > Yes. Especially gmail.com should do such a thing - there is such a lot > > of - presumbly forged - @gmail.com mails in my mailboxes that > > blacklisting the whole domain causes probably more good than bad (for > > me, of course). > > There is spam that really comes from gmail... > -- > Dr. Horst H. von Brand User #22616 counter.li.org > Departamento de Informatica Fono: +56 32 654431 > Universidad Tecnica Federico Santa Maria +56 32 654239 > Casilla 110-V, Valparaiso, Chile Fax: +56 32 797513 > > - > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at http://www.tux.org/lkml/ >