From: Lorenzo Stoakes <lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com>
To: Wei Yang <richard.weiyang@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [PATCH 00/16] mm: remove is_swap_[pte, pmd]() + non-swap entries, introduce leaf entries
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2025 17:33:47 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7d4c26e9-2fc2-4a59-bd34-984bf7df4dd7@lucifer.local> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251105024140.kmxo4dltsl6toyil@master>
On Wed, Nov 05, 2025 at 02:41:40AM +0000, Wei Yang wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 03, 2025 at 12:31:41PM +0000, Lorenzo Stoakes wrote:
> >There's an established convention in the kernel that we treat leaf page
> >tables (so far at the PTE, PMD level) as containing 'swap entries' should
> >they be neither empty (i.e. p**_none() evaluating true) nor present
> >(i.e. p**_present() evaluating true).
> >
> >However, at the same time we also have helper predicates - is_swap_pte(),
> >is_swap_pmd() - which are inconsistently used.
> >
> >This is problematic, as it is logical to assume that should somebody wish
> >to operate upon a page table swap entry they should first check to see if
> >it is in fact one.
> >
> >It also implies that perhaps, in future, we might introduce a non-present,
> >none page table entry that is not a swap entry.
> >
> >This series resolves this issue by systematically eliminating all use of
> >the is_swap_pte() and is swap_pmd() predicates so we retain only the
> >convention that should a leaf page table entry be neither none nor present
> >it is a swap entry.
> >
> >We also have the further issue that 'swap entry' is unfortunately a really
> >rather overloaded term and in fact refers to both entries for swap and for
> >other information such as migration entries, page table markers, and device
> >private entries.
> >
> >We therefore have the rather 'unique' concept of a 'non-swap' swap entry.
> >
> >This series therefore introduces the concept of 'leaf entries' to eliminate
> >this confusion.
> >
> >A leaf entry in this sense is any page table entry which is non-present,
> >and represented by the leaf_entry_t type.
> >
> >This includes 'none' or empty entries, which are simply represented by an
> >zero leaf entry value.
> >
> >In order to maintain compatibility as we transition the kernel to this new
> >type, we simply typedef swp_entry_t to leaf_entry_t.
> >
> >We introduce a number of predicates and helpers to interact with leaf
> >entries in include/linux/leafops.h which, as it imports swapops.h, can be
> >treated as a drop-in replacement for swapops.h wherever leaf entry helpers
> >are used.
> >
> >Since leafent_from_[pte, pmd]() treats present entries as they were
> >empty/none leaf entries, this allows for a great deal of simplification of
> >code throughout the code base, which this series utilises a great deal.
> >
> >We additionally change from swap entry to leaf entry handling where it
> >makes sense to and eliminate functions from swapops.h where leaf entries
> >obviate the need for the functions.
> >
>
> Hi, Lorenzo
>
> Thanks for the effort on cleanup this, which helps me clearing the confusing
> on checking swap entry.
Thank you :) much appreciated!
Hope it's useful, my ultimate initial aim was to address my own confusion and
frustration (stemming out of a debate about use of the is_swap_pte() predicate
on a review), I'm glad that via review and also thinking 'hmm we should address
this also' etc. this his developed into something that hopefully makes life
easier for everybody!
>
>
> --
> Wei Yang
> Help you, Help me
Cheers, Lorenzo
prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-11-05 17:36 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 42+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-11-03 12:31 Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 01/16] mm: correctly handle UFFD PTE markers Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 18:25 ` Vlastimil Babka
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 02/16] mm: introduce leaf entry type and use to simplify leaf entry logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 17:27 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 14:42 ` Gregory Price
2025-11-05 17:21 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-05 17:32 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 18:16 ` Jason Gunthorpe
2025-11-05 19:54 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 19:06 ` Matthew Wilcox
2025-11-05 19:25 ` Gregory Price
2025-11-05 19:52 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 19:56 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-11-05 20:01 ` Gregory Price
2025-11-05 20:05 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 20:11 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-05 21:08 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 21:15 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-05 21:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 21:29 ` David Hildenbrand (Red Hat)
2025-11-05 21:47 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-05 19:56 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 03/16] mm: avoid unnecessary uses of is_swap_pte() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 04/16] mm: eliminate uses of is_swap_pte() when leafent_from_pte() suffices Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 05/16] mm: use leaf entries in debug pgtable + remove is_swap_pte() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 06/16] fs/proc/task_mmu: refactor pagemap_pmd_range() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 07/16] mm: avoid unnecessary use of is_swap_pmd() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 08/16] mm/huge_memory: refactor copy_huge_pmd() non-present logic Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 09/16] mm/huge_memory: refactor change_huge_pmd() " Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 10/16] mm: replace pmd_to_swp_entry() with leafent_from_pmd() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 17:30 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 11/16] mm: introduce pmd_is_huge() and use where appropriate Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 12/16] mm: remove remaining is_swap_pmd() users and is_swap_pmd() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 13/16] mm: remove non_swap_entry() and use leaf entry helpers instead Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-04 6:17 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 14/16] mm: remove is_hugetlb_entry_[migration, hwpoisoned]() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 15/16] mm: eliminate further swapops predicates Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-03 12:31 ` [PATCH 16/16] mm: replace remaining pte_to_swp_entry() with leafent_from_pte() Lorenzo Stoakes
2025-11-04 1:13 ` [PATCH 00/16] mm: remove is_swap_[pte, pmd]() + non-swap entries, introduce leaf entries Andrew Morton
2025-11-05 2:41 ` Wei Yang
2025-11-05 17:33 ` Lorenzo Stoakes [this message]
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