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From: "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com>
To: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org
Cc: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
	Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 0/4] x86/mtrr: Allow MTRR updates on multiple CPUs in parallel
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2026 14:21:46 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <7d6abb19-be48-4e96-8c72-e392b78b3223@suse.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <38FC68A0-6651-4ECA-9DAA-C4148F65AEDB@zytor.com>


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On 12.02.26 17:54, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
> On February 12, 2026 8:24:18 AM PST, "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
>> On 10.02.26 08:28, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>> On February 9, 2026 10:51:04 PM PST, "Jürgen Groß" <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>> On 09.02.26 19:37, H. Peter Anvin wrote:
>>>>> On February 9, 2026 1:12:59 AM PST, Juergen Gross <jgross@suse.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Ping?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I'd really like to have this in 7.0, as it is fixing a real issue on
>>>>>> some machines ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Juergen
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 30.01.26 12:36, Juergen Gross wrote:
>>>>>>> Today MTRR updates are serialized to not happen on multiple CPUs at the
>>>>>>> same time, as the related coding is using global variables.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On huge machines with lots of CPUs this can result in problems, as such
>>>>>>> updates are happening through stop_machine(), which will call the MTRR
>>>>>>> update function with interrupts off on all CPUs at the same time. The
>>>>>>> interrupts will be switched on only after the last CPU has finished
>>>>>>> the MTRR update. As the update is required to run in uncached mode, it
>>>>>>> can take easily several milliseconds on each CPU, resulting in the
>>>>>>> whole process to need several seconds. This in turn can cause the
>>>>>>> watchdog to trigger and to recognize a hard system lockup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> This series is changing the behavior by allowing the MTRR update to
>>>>>>> happen on all CPUs in parallel.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Changes in V2:
>>>>>>> - fix a function comment header in patch 2
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Juergen Gross (4):
>>>>>>>       x86/mtrr: Move cache_enable() and cache_disable() to mtrr/generic.c
>>>>>>>       x86/mtrr: Introduce MTRR work state structure
>>>>>>>       x86/mtrr: Add a prepare_set hook to mtrr_ops
>>>>>>>       x86/mtrr: Drop cache_disable_lock
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      arch/x86/include/asm/cacheinfo.h   |   2 -
>>>>>>>      arch/x86/include/asm/mtrr.h        |   2 -
>>>>>>>      arch/x86/kernel/cpu/cacheinfo.c    |  80 +----------------
>>>>>>>      arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mtrr/generic.c | 139 ++++++++++++++++++++++++-----
>>>>>>>      arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mtrr/mtrr.c    |   3 +
>>>>>>>      arch/x86/kernel/cpu/mtrr/mtrr.h    |   2 +
>>>>>>>      6 files changed, 122 insertions(+), 106 deletions(-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> First of all, what machines are even needing MTRR updates these days?
>>>>
>>>> I'm not aware this machine really needed an update.
>>>>
>>>>> This isn't a rhetorical question. It is important to understand what the underlying problem is.
>>>>
>>>> It just took several seconds for all CPUs to check if there is an update
>>>> needed. It might be an issue with firmware, topology, whatever. It happened
>>>> in a test doing 300 cold boots in a row after roughly 70 loop iterations,
>>>> always on one of the last CPUs.
>>>>
>>>> The issue shows that there IS a potential problem with doing the MTRR
>>>> update one CPU after the other, instead just doing it in parallel (which
>>>> is the "official" recommendation anyway). See the comment in
>>>> cache_disable(). And it isn't as if the fix would be very complicated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Juergen
>>>
>>> You are assuming that it won't break any fragile systems. I'm much more concerned about why this is happening at all.
>>
>> I'm having a hard time seeing why my series would break fragile systems.
>> Its not as if I would change anything regarding the handling on each
>> cpu.
>>
>> My main suspect why this is happening is the topology of the system
>> (8 socket NUMA machine), causing the uncached memory accesses to have a
>> rather high latency (multiple hops for accessing some memory), causing
>> each cpu to need some time for checking all MTRRs.
>>
>>
>> Juergen
> 
> Please stop avoiding the issue, which is WHY is this happening AT ALL on a recent production system.
> 
> The fastest way to do anything is to not do it at all.
> 
> What do the logs look like, with sufficient verbosity, for one thing?

I asked for more detailed logs. And indeed in the log with my patches applied
the following messages could be seen:

[   72.301321][    T1] mtrr: your CPUs had inconsistent MTRRdefType settings
[   72.310541][    T1] mtrr: probably your BIOS does not setup all CPUs.
[   72.318539][    T1] mtrr: corrected configuration.

While this probably is the reason for the long time MTRR setup on the APs
needed, I'm still thinking my patches are making a lot of sense.

I have asked they check their BIOS, of course.


Juergen

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  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-13 13:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 15+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-30 11:36 Juergen Gross
2026-01-30 11:36 ` [PATCH v2 1/4] x86/mtrr: Move cache_enable() and cache_disable() to mtrr/generic.c Juergen Gross
2026-01-30 11:36 ` [PATCH v2 2/4] x86/mtrr: Introduce MTRR work state structure Juergen Gross
2026-01-30 11:36 ` [PATCH v2 3/4] x86/mtrr: Add a prepare_set hook to mtrr_ops Juergen Gross
2026-01-30 11:36 ` [PATCH v2 4/4] x86/mtrr: Drop cache_disable_lock Juergen Gross
2026-02-09  9:12 ` [PATCH v2 0/4] x86/mtrr: Allow MTRR updates on multiple CPUs in parallel Juergen Gross
2026-02-09 18:37   ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-02-10  6:51     ` Jürgen Groß
2026-02-10  7:28       ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-02-12 16:24         ` Jürgen Groß
2026-02-12 16:54           ` H. Peter Anvin
2026-02-13 13:21             ` Jürgen Groß [this message]
2026-03-11  9:08               ` Juergen Gross
2026-03-12 21:33                 ` Dave Hansen
2026-03-13  6:03                   ` Jürgen Groß

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