From: Rohit Jain <rohit.k.jain@oracle.com>
To: Steven Sistare <steven.sistare@oracle.com>,
Mike Galbraith <efault@gmx.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Cc: peterz@infradead.org, mingo@redhat.com, joelaf@google.com,
jbacik@fb.com, riel@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
dhaval.giani@oracle.com
Subject: Re: [RFC 1/2] sched: reduce migration cost between faster caches for idle_balance
Date: Thu, 15 Feb 2018 10:07:43 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7e6ee88e-8462-b1ab-a7bf-536a2c576c7d@oracle.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <dd972024-b3d6-fa53-7cc5-9e71a01c1837@oracle.com>
On 02/15/2018 08:35 AM, Steven Sistare wrote:
> On 2/10/2018 1:37 AM, Mike Galbraith wrote:
>> On Fri, 2018-02-09 at 11:08 -0500, Steven Sistare wrote:
>>>>> @@ -8804,7 +8803,8 @@ static int idle_balance(struct rq *this_rq, struct rq_flags *rf)
>>>>> if (!(sd->flags & SD_LOAD_BALANCE))
>>>>> continue;
>>>>>
>>>>> - if (this_rq->avg_idle < curr_cost + sd->max_newidle_lb_cost) {
>>>>> + if (this_rq->avg_idle < curr_cost + sd->max_newidle_lb_cost +
>>>>> + sd->sched_migration_cost) {
>>>>> update_next_balance(sd, &next_balance);
>>>>> break;
>>>>> }
>>>> Ditto.
>>> The old code did not migrate if the expected costs exceeded the expected idle
>>> time. The new code just adds the sd-specific penalty (essentially loss of cache
>>> footprint) to the costs. The for_each_domain loop visit smallest to largest
>>> sd's, hence visiting smallest to largest migration costs (though the tunables do
>>> not enforce an ordering), and bails at the first sd where the total cost is a lose.
>> Hrm..
>>
>> You're now adding a hypothetical cost to the measured cost of running
>> the LB machinery, which implies that the measurement is insufficient,
>> but you still don't say why it is insufficient. What happens if you
>> don't do that? I ask, because when I removed the...
>>
>> this_rq->avg_idle < sysctl_sched_migration_cost
>>
>> ...bits to check removal effect for Peter, the original reason for it
>> being added did not re-materialize, making me wonder why you need to
>> make this cutoff more aggressive.
> The current code with sysctl_sched_migration_cost discourages migration
> too much, per our test results. Deleting it entirely from idle_balance()
> may be the right solution, or it may allow too much migration and
> cause regressions due to loss of cache warmth on some workloads.
> Rohit's patch deletes it and adds the sd->sched_migration_cost term
> to allow a migration rate that is somewhere in the middle, and is
> logically sound. It discourages but does not prevent migration between
> nodes, and encourages but does not always allow migration between cores.
> By contrast, setting relax_domain_level to disable SD_BALANCE_NEWIDLE
> at the SD_NUMA level is a big hammer.
>
> I would be perfectly happy if deleting sysctl_sched_migration_cost from
> idle_balance does the trick. Last week in a different thread you mentioned
> it did not hurt tbench:
>
>>> Mike, do you remember what comes apart when we take
>>> out the sysctl_sched_migration_cost test in idle_balance()?
>> Used to be anything scheduling cross-core heftily suffered, ie pretty
>> much any localhost communication heavy load. I just tried disabling it
>> in 4.13 though (pre pti cliff), tried tbench, and it made zip squat
>> difference. I presume that's due to the meanwhile added
>> this_rq->rd->overload and/or curr_cost checks.
> Can you provide more details on the sysbench oltp test that motivated you
> to add sysctl_sched_migration_cost to idle_balance, so Rohit can re-test it?
> 1b9508f6 sched: Rate-limit newidle
> Rate limit newidle to migration_cost. It's a win for all stages of
> sysbench oltp tests.
>
> Rohit is running more tests with a patch that deletes
> sysctl_sched_migration_cost from idle_balance, and for his patch but
> with the 5000 usec mistake corrected back to 500 usec. So far both
> give improvements over the baseline, but for different cases, so we
> need to try more workloads before we draw any conclusions.
>
> Rohit, can you share your data so far?
Results:
In the following results, "Domain based" approach is as mentioned in the
RFC sent out with the values fixed (As pointed out by Mike). "No check" is
the patch where I just remove the check against sysctl_sched_migration_cost
1) Hackbench results on 2 socket, 44 core and 88 threads Intel x86 machine
(lower is better):
+--------------+-----------------+--------------------------+-------------------------+
| | Without Patch |Domain Based |No Check |
+------+-------+--------+--------+-----------------+--------+----------------+--------+
|Loops | Groups|Average |%Std Dev|Average |%Std Dev|Average |%Std Dev|
+------+-------+--------+--------+-----------------+--------+----------------+--------+
|100000| 4 |9.701 |0.78 |7.971 (+17.84%) | 1.34 |8.919 (+8.07%) |1.07 |
|100000| 8 |17.186 |0.77 |16.712 (+2.76%) | 0.87 |17.043 (+0.83%) |0.83 |
|100000| 16 |30.378 |0.55 |29.780 (+1.97%) | 0.38 |29.565 (+2.67%) |0.29 |
|100000| 32 |54.712 |0.54 |53.001 (+3.13%) | 0.19 |52.158 (+4.67%) |0.22 |
+------+-------+--------+--------+-----------------+--------+----------------+--------+
2) Sysbench MySQL results on 2 socket, 44 core and 88 threads Intel x86
machine (higher is better):
+-------+--------------------+----------------------------+----------------------------+
| | Without Patch | Domain based | No check |
+-------+-----------+--------+-------------------+--------+-------------------+--------+
|Num | Average | | Average | | Average | |
|Threads| throughput|%Std Dev| throughput |%Std Dev| throughput |%Std Dev|
+-------+-----------+--------+-------------------+--------+-------------------+--------+
| 8 | 133658.2 | 0.66 | 134909.4 (+0.94%) | 0.94 | 134232.2 (+0.43%) | 1.29 |
| 16 | 266540 | 0.48 | 268253.4 (+0.64%) | 0.64 | 268584.6 (+0.77%) | 0.37 |
| 32 | 466315.6 | 0.15 | 465903.6 (-0.09%) | 0.28 | 468594.2 (+0.49%) | 0.23 |
| 64 | 720039.4 | 0.23 | 725663.8 (+0.78%) | 0.42 | 717253.8 (-0.39%) | 0.36 |
| 72 | 757284.4 | 0.25 | 770693.4 (+1.77%) | 0.29 | 764984.0 (+1.02%) | 0.38 |
| 80 | 807955.6 | 0.22 | 818446.0 (+1.30%) | 0.24 | 831372.2 (+2.90%) | 0.10 |
| 88 | 863173.8 | 0.25 | 870520.4 (+0.85%) | 0.23 | 887049.0 (+2.77%) | 0.56 |
| 96 | 882950.8 | 0.32 | 890775.4 (+0.89%) | 0.40 | 892913.8 (+1.13%) | 0.41 |
| 128 | 895112.6 | 0.13 | 898524.2 (+0.38%) | 0.16 | 901195.0 (+0.68%) | 0.28 |
+-------+-----------+--------+-------------------+--------+-------------------+--------+
Thanks,
Rohit
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2018-02-15 18:08 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2018-02-08 22:19 [RFC 0/2] sched: Make idle_balance smarter about topology Rohit Jain
2018-02-08 22:19 ` [RFC 1/2] sched: reduce migration cost between faster caches for idle_balance Rohit Jain
2018-02-09 3:42 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-09 16:08 ` Steven Sistare
2018-02-10 6:37 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-15 16:35 ` Steven Sistare
2018-02-15 18:07 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-15 18:21 ` Steven Sistare
2018-02-15 18:39 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-15 18:07 ` Rohit Jain [this message]
2018-02-16 4:53 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-08 22:19 ` [RFC 2/2] Introduce sysctl(s) for the migration costs Rohit Jain
2018-02-09 3:54 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-09 16:10 ` Steven Sistare
2018-02-09 17:08 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-09 17:33 ` Steven Sistare
2018-02-09 17:50 ` Mike Galbraith
2018-02-12 15:28 ` Peter Zijlstra
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