From: Ravi Bangoria <ravi.bangoria@amd.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: kim.phillips@amd.com, mingo@redhat.com, acme@kernel.org,
mark.rutland@arm.com, alexander.shishkin@linux.intel.com,
jolsa@redhat.com, namhyung@kernel.org, tglx@linutronix.de,
bp@alien8.de, dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, x86@kernel.org,
hpa@zytor.com, linux-perf-users@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, santosh.shukla@amd.com,
sandipan.das@amd.com, ravi.bangoria@amd.com
Subject: Re: [RFC] perf/amd/ibs: Move ibs pmus under perf_sw_context
Date: Mon, 15 Nov 2021 17:31:21 +0530 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <7ee6951e-eda1-7872-4158-e3bbb9eb31b7@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YZJB5FVHpzhwFMtZ@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net>
On 15-Nov-21 4:47 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Nov 15, 2021 at 03:18:38PM +0530, Ravi Bangoria wrote:
>> Ideally, a pmu which is present in each hw thread belongs to
>> perf_hw_context, but perf_hw_context has limitation of allowing only
>> one pmu (a core pmu) and thus other hw pmus need to use either sw or
>> invalid context which limits pmu functionalities.
>>
>> This is not a new problem. It has been raised in the past, for example,
>> Arm big.LITTLE (same for Intel ADL) and s390 had this issue:
>>
>> Arm: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20160425175837.GB3141@leverpostej
>> s390: https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20160606082124.GA30154@twins.programming.kicks-ass.net
>>
>> Arm big.LITTLE (followed by Intel ADL) solved this by allowing multiple
>> (heterogeneous) pmus inside perf_hw_context. It makes sense as they are
>> still registering single pmu for each hw thread.
>>
>> s390 solved it by moving 2nd hw pmu to perf_sw_context, though that 2nd
>> hw pmu is count mode only, i.e. no sampling.
>>
>> AMD IBS also has similar problem. IBS pmu is present in each hw thread.
>> But because of perf_hw_context restriction, currently it belongs to
>> perf_invalid_context and thus important functionalities like per-task
>> profiling is not possible with IBS pmu. Moving it to perf_sw_context
>> will:
>> - allow per-task monitoring
>> - allow cgroup wise profiling
>> - allow grouping of IBS with other pmu events
>> - disallow multiplexing
>>
>> Please let me know if I missed any major benefit or drawback of
>> perf_sw_context. I'm also not sure how easy it would be to lift
>> perf_hw_context restriction and start allowing more pmus in it.
>>
>> Suggestions?
>
> Same as I do every time this comes up... this patch is still lingering
> and wanting TLC:
>
> https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20181010104559.GO5728@hirez.programming.kicks-ass.net/
Thanks for the pointer Peter. I have looked at the patch and it is quite complex,
altering the very way perf event scheduling works.
I don't dispute that is the right 'fix' for the issue, but do you think adding a
new perf context can help alleviate some of the issues in the interim?
Ravi
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2021-11-15 12:02 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2021-11-15 9:48 Ravi Bangoria
2021-11-15 11:17 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-15 12:01 ` Ravi Bangoria [this message]
2021-11-15 12:07 ` Peter Zijlstra
2021-11-17 4:30 ` Ravi Bangoria
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