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charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit On 27/10/2026 13:29, Laurent Pinchart wrote: > On Mon, Oct 26, 2026 at 11:48:16AM +0100, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: >> On 26/10/2026 11:40, Laurent Pinchart wrote: >>> On Thu, Oct 22, 2026 at 08:57:55AM +0200, Krzysztof Kozlowski wrote: >>>> That's valid and for 95% (guessing the number...) of cases will be >>>> solved by having linux-next as a base, thus requiring the base >>>> information is redundant. It's just linux-next. >>>> >>>> When patchset does NOT apply on linux-next or maintainer tree is >>>> non-obvious, the base should be provided, but that is only "if -> >>>> should". I think the proposal here is a bit different. >>> >>> What's the downside though ? As git can easily provide the base >>> information once configured to do so, what's the downside of asking >>> contributors to include it ? >> >> For me the downside is that if you require it, half or more of my >> patches would be rejected > > I don't think we want to automate rejection of patches that provide no > base information, and certainly not as a first step. The goal as I see > it is to encourage people to provide the information. It's a process > that will take time. We already encourage that in current wording and b4 automatically provides that. If you want to encourage, do not make it a requirement "with only rare exceptions". > >> and I would need to add unnecessary step to >> remember. > > It doesn't have to require manual work every time you send paches. > format.useAutoBase in conjunction with specifying upstreams of branches > helps. But then base would point nowhere... Upstream of my branches are my github branches, so I always know what is up2date against my github. Otherwise how do you track - with multi-machine and fully backed up repos - whether your local changes are updated against your backed up branch on github/forge? > >> Since this step is pointless - it would be linux-next >> (assuming in the first place that this is what the author wanted here!) >> - it is a waste of time for me and potential resubmit of series, just to >> fulfill requirement which brings no benefits. So I have downside and I >> see no upside for my case, when you require the base. >> >> This might be affecting others as well, but now speaking about my >> workflow - I have a lot of independent cleanups, which I stack on top of >> each other, sometimes series, sometimes not, but stacking is important >> so when I run `make W=1` it passes. >> >> What's more important, I reject the entire reasoning/cause of this >> change, which claimed you cannot review and therefore accept such >> patches. It's simply not true. > > That's not my claim. That's the claim from commit msg. And wording should rather be "which claimed one cannot review". Best regards, Krzysztof