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From: zhangzihuan <zhangzihuan@kylinos.cn>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: rafael@kernel.org, len.brown@intel.com, pavel@kernel.org,
	kees@kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com, juri.lelli@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	rostedt@goodmis.org, bsegall@google.com, mgorman@suse.de,
	vschneid@redhat.com, akpm@linux-foundation.org, david@redhat.com,
	lorenzo.stoakes@oracle.com, Liam.Howlett@oracle.com,
	vbabka@suse.cz, rppt@kernel.org, surenb@google.com,
	mhocko@suse.com, linux-pm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH] PM: Optionally block user fork during freeze to improve performance
Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2025 12:05:14 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <83513599-e007-4d07-ac28-386bc5c7552d@kylinos.cn> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250606082244.GL30486@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hi Peter,
Thanks a lot for the feedback!

在 2025/6/6 16:22, Peter Zijlstra 写道:
> This isn't blocking fork(), this is failing fork(). Huge difference.
> Also problematic, because -EBUSY is not a recognised return value of
> fork(). As such, no existing software will adequately handle it.
>  I completely agree there's a significant difference between failing 
> and blocking fork().
The intent was to prevent late-created user tasks from interfering with 
the freezing process, but you're right: returning -EBUSY is not valid 
for fork(), and existing user-space programs wouldn't expect or handle 
that properly.
As a next step, I'm considering switching to a blocking mechanism 
instead — that is, have user fork() temporarily sleep if it's attempted 
during the freeze window. That should avoid breaking user-space 
expectations while still helping maintain freeze stability.
Would that be more acceptable?
Thanks again for the insight,
Zihuan Zhang

  reply	other threads:[~2025-06-09  4:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 16+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-06-06  6:25 Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-06  7:20 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-08  7:22   ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-08 15:50     ` Mateusz Guzik
2025-06-09  3:46       ` zhangzihuan
2025-06-06  8:22 ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-06-09  4:05   ` zhangzihuan [this message]
2025-06-10 10:50     ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-13  2:37       ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-13  7:05         ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-16  3:46           ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-16  7:45             ` David Hildenbrand
2025-06-16 11:24               ` Michal Hocko
2025-06-18 11:30               ` Zihuan Zhang
2025-06-18 11:54                 ` David Hildenbrand
2025-07-28 13:06                   ` Zihuan Zhang

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