From: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>
To: David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com>,
Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
"Ahmed S . Darwish" <darwi@linutronix.de>,
Andrew Cooper <andrew.cooper3@citrix.com>,
Ard Biesheuvel <ardb@kernel.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@kernel.org>,
Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH -v3 0/15] x86: Remove support for TSC-less and CX8-less CPUs
Date: Sun, 14 Dec 2025 20:22:40 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <83CCCEC4-D85F-466C-AC5E-CF0F7722668A@zytor.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20251214133925.1e80f851@pumpkin>
On December 14, 2025 5:39:25 AM PST, David Laight <david.laight.linux@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 14 Dec 2025 09:46:48 +0100
>Ingo Molnar <mingo@kernel.org> wrote:
>
>>...
>>
>> Original -v1 announcement:
>>
>> In the x86 architecture we have various complicated hardware emulation
>> facilities on x86-32 to support ancient 32-bit CPUs that very very few
>> people are using with modern kernels. This compatibility glue is sometimes
>> even causing problems that people spend time to resolve, which time could
>> be spent on other things.
>>
>> As Linus recently remarked:
>>
>> > I really get the feeling that it's time to leave i486 support behind.
>> > There's zero real reason for anybody to waste one second of
>> > development effort on this kind of issue.
>>
>> This series increases minimum kernel support features to include TSC and
>> CX8 (CMPXCHG8B) hardware support, which removes 486 (and derivatives) support
>> and early-586 (and derivatives) support.
>
>Two questions:
>
>1) What happens if you try to boot the kernel on an old system?
> Is there an early check that makes it fail 'moderately gracefully'?
>
>2) Is it worth also dropping support for cpu that don't support CMOV.
> I think that is 'Pentium Pro' and 'K7' rather than 'Pentium' and 'K5'.
> That simplifies some asm code.
> 'masked' user access would really need it (and a guard page).
> The 'long nop' get added at the same time.
> It is also (almost certainly) new enough that the 'bit scan' instructions
> are guaranteed to leave the the destination unchanged if the source is
> zero (dropping just 486 may be enough for that).
>
>Moving the minimum cpu to P-Pro now will probably save another similar
>change in the near future.
>
> David
There is a check in the BIOS real-mode code to print an error message. If it gets invoked any other way (directly in protected mode) it will almost certainly crash.
Please consider the cost/benefit trade-off when it comes to dropping support; if the cost is small enough it doesn't matter much. Simplifying a small number of well-localized routines isn't a big enough deal, really.
In general, make sure that the appropriate X86_REQUIRED_FEATURE flags in Kconfig.cpufeature get set – that way the detect code and other checking code will work correctly.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2025-12-15 4:26 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2025-12-14 8:46 Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 01/15] x86/cpu: Remove M486/M486SX/ELAN support Ingo Molnar
2026-03-30 7:05 ` [tip: x86/platform] " tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2026-03-30 9:45 ` tip-bot2 for Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 02/15] x86/cpu: Remove CONFIG_MWINCHIP3D/MWINCHIPC6 Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 03/15] x86/cpu: Remove CPU_SUP_UMC_32 support Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 04/15] x86/cpu: Remove TSC-less CONFIG_M586 support Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 05/15] x86/cpu, x86/platform, watchdog: Remove CONFIG_X86_RDC321X support Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 06/15] x86/cpu: Remove the CONFIG_X86_INVD_BUG quirk Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 07/15] x86/cpu, cpufreq: Remove AMD ELAN support Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 08/15] x86/fpu: Remove MATH_EMULATION and related glue code Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 09/15] x86/fpu: Remove the 'no387' boot option Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 10/15] x86/fpu: Remove the math-emu/ FPU emulation library Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:46 ` [PATCH 11/15] x86/cpu: Make CONFIG_X86_TSC unconditional Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:47 ` [PATCH 12/15] x86: Remove !CONFIG_X86_TSC code Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:47 ` [PATCH 13/15] x86/cpu: Make CONFIG_X86_CX8 unconditional Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:47 ` [PATCH 14/15] x86/atomics: Remove !CONFIG_X86_CX8 methods Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 8:47 ` [PATCH 15/15] x86/percpu: " Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 9:38 ` Uros Bizjak
2025-12-15 7:05 ` [PATCH 15/15 -v4] " Ingo Molnar
2025-12-14 13:39 ` [PATCH -v3 0/15] x86: Remove support for TSC-less and CX8-less CPUs David Laight
2025-12-15 4:22 ` H. Peter Anvin [this message]
2025-12-15 2:39 ` Brian Gerst
2025-12-15 3:19 ` Linus Torvalds
2025-12-15 13:55 ` Ahmed S. Darwish
2026-01-04 13:08 ` Borislav Petkov
2026-01-07 3:57 ` H. Peter Anvin
2025-12-15 15:54 ` Arnd Bergmann
2026-01-03 22:59 ` Maciej W. Rozycki
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