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From: Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Prakash Sangappa <prakash.sangappa@oracle.com>,
	Madadi Vineeth Reddy <vineethr@linux.ibm.com>,
	K Prateek Nayak <kprateek.nayak@amd.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Ron Geva <rongevarg@gmail.com>, Waiman Long <longman@redhat.com>,
	"carlos@redhat.com" <carlos@redhat.com>,
	Michael Jeanson <mjeanson@efficios.com>
Subject: Re: [patch V6 01/11] rseq: Add fields and constants for time slice extension
Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2026 12:10:27 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <840016ad-9188-4df4-904e-b7462b2cfd81@efficios.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260119110300.GR830755@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 2026-01-19 06:03, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 19, 2026 at 11:30:53AM +0100, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>> On 2026-01-19 05:21, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Sat, Jan 17, 2026 at 05:16:16PM +0100, Mathieu Desnoyers wrote:
>>>
>>>> My main concern is about the overhead of added system calls at thread
>>>> creation. I recall that doing an additional rseq system call at thread
>>>> creation was analyzed thoroughly for performance regressions at the
>>>> libc level. I would not want to start requiring libc to issue a
>>>> handful of additional prctl system calls per thread creation for no good
>>>> reason.
>>>
>>> A wee something like so?
>>>
>>> That would allow registering rseq with RSEQ_FLAG_SLICE_EXT_DEFAULT_ON
>>> set and if all the stars align, it will then have it on at the end.
>>
>> That's a very good step in the right direction. I just wonder how
>> userspace is expected to learn that it runs on a kernel which
>> accepts the RSEQ_FLAG_SLICE_EXT_DEFAULT_ON flag ?
>>
>> I think it could expect it when getauxval for AT_RSEQ_FEATURE_SIZE
>> includes the slice ext field. This gives us a cheap way to know
>> from userspace whether this new flag is supported or not.
> 
> struct rseq vs struct rseq_data. I don't think that slice field is
> exposed on the user side of things.

Yes it is. (unless I'm missing something ?)

See the original patch of this thread at https://lore.kernel.org/lkml/20251215155708.669472597@linutronix.de/

--- a/include/uapi/linux/rseq.h
+++ b/include/uapi/linux/rseq.h
[...]

@@ -142,6 +174,12 @@ struct rseq {
  	__u32 mm_cid;
  
  	/*
+	 * Time slice extension control structure. CPU local updates from
+	 * kernel and user space.
+	 */
+	struct rseq_slice_ctrl slice_ctrl;
+
+	/*
  	 * Flexible array member at end of structure, after last feature field.
  	 */
  	char end[];

> 
> I was thinking it could just try with the flag the firs time, and then
> record if that worked or not and use the 'correct' value for all future
> rseq calls.

That would work too, but would waste a system call on process startup in case
of failure. Not a big deal, but checking with getauxval would be better because
this information is already exported to userspace at program execution and
available without doing any system call.

Thanks,

Mathieu


-- 
Mathieu Desnoyers
EfficiOS Inc.
https://www.efficios.com

  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-19 11:10 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 78+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-12-15 16:52 [patch V6 00/11] rseq: Implement time slice extension mechanism Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 01/11] rseq: Add fields and constants for time slice extension Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16 14:36   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-12-18 23:21     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-07 21:11       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-01-11 17:11         ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-13 23:45           ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-14 21:59             ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-17 16:16             ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-01-19 10:21               ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 10:30                 ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-01-19 11:03                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 11:10                     ` Mathieu Desnoyers [this message]
2026-01-19 11:27                       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 10:46                 ` Florian Weimer
2026-01-17  9:36       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-19 10:10   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 02/11] rseq: Provide static branch for time slice extensions Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 03/11] rseq: Add statistics " Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 04/11] rseq: Add prctl() to enable " Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 05/11] rseq: Implement sys_rseq_slice_yield() Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16 14:59   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 06/11] rseq: Implement syscall entry work for time slice extensions Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16 15:05   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-12-18 22:28     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-18 22:30       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 07/11] rseq: Implement time slice extension enforcement timer Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16  7:18   ` Randy Dunlap
2025-12-16 17:55     ` Prakash Sangappa
2025-12-16  8:26   ` [patch V6.1 " Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16 15:13   ` [patch V6 " Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-12-18 15:05   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-18 23:26     ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-19 10:05       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-16 18:15         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-18 10:46           ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-19 10:01             ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-18 15:18   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-12-18 23:25     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-17  9:57   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-23 17:38     ` Prakash Sangappa
2026-01-23 17:41     ` Prakash Sangappa
2026-01-27 18:48       ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 08/11] rseq: Reset slice extension when scheduled Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16 15:17   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2026-01-22 10:16   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 09/11] rseq: Implement rseq_grant_slice_extension() Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16 15:25   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-12-18 23:28     ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-11 10:22       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-22 10:15   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 10/11] entry: Hook up rseq time slice extension Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-16 15:37   ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2025-12-19 11:07     ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-11 11:01       ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-17  9:51         ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-01-22 10:15   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 16:52 ` [patch V6 11/11] selftests/rseq: Implement time slice extension test Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24   ` Thomas Gleixner
2026-01-22 10:15   ` [tip: sched/core] " tip-bot2 for Thomas Gleixner
2025-12-15 18:24 ` [patch V6 00/11] rseq: Implement time slice extension mechanism Thomas Gleixner

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