From: Binbin Wu <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>
To: Xiaoyao Li <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org
Cc: seanjc@google.com, pbonzini@redhat.com,
dave.hansen@linux.intel.com, andrew.cooper3@citrix.com,
nik.borisov@suse.com, kas@kernel.org, rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com,
chao.gao@intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/4] KVM: TDX: Track configurable CPUID bits allowed by KVM
Date: Thu, 3 Sep 2026 00:19:28 +0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <84891108-55be-48c1-9993-c730a5334d5b@linux.intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <6b565572-b316-4e86-906d-f150c896fe21@intel.com>
On 9/2/2026 11:09 PM, Xiaoyao Li wrote:
> On 9/2/2026 8:33 AM, Binbin Wu wrote:
>>>> +static void __init tdx_initialize_cpu_cfg_caps(void)
>>>> +{
>>>> + tdx_cpu_cfg_cap_init(CPUID_1_ECX,
>>>> + TDX_CFG_EXTRA_F(MWAIT),
>>>> + TDX_CFG_F(TSC_DEADLINE_TIMER),
>>>> + TDX_CFG_F(AVX),
>>>> + TDX_CFG_F(F16C),
>>>> + );
>>> TDX 1.5.24 on SPR report configurable bits of CPUID_1_ECX as
>>> 0x31044988, which have
>>>
>>> - bit 3 MWAIT
>>> - bit 7 EST
>>> - bit 8 TM2
>>> - bit 11 SDBG
>>> - bit 14 XTPR
>>> - bit 18 DCA
>>> - bit 24 TSC_DEADLINE_TIMER
>>> - bit 28 AVX
>>> - bit 29 F16C
>>>
>>> but EST/TM2/SDBG/XTPR/DCA are not list here. I guess the reason is kvm_cpu_cap[] doesn't support it. If so, it seems to guard twice:
>>> 1. mentally/manually check if it a feature is supported in kvm_cpu_caps[]
>>>
>>> 2. kvm_cpu_caps guarding in tdx_cpu_cfg_cap_init().
>>>
>>> I think 1) is not necessary, we can rely on 2)
>> In general, if a feature is not supported by the common KVM CPU caps,
>
> For kvm-intel.ko, kvm_cpu_caps[] just means the supported CPUID features
> for VMX VMs. Treat it as the common KVM CPU caps is a bit arguable.
>
>> I prefer not
>> to add it to the list to save a few lines of code, which probably is dead code,
>
> I don't think it's dead code. It shows that these features are
> virtualizable to TDs from the POV. of TDX.
It depends on whether KVM allows userspace to set features for TDs that are not support
for non-TDX VMs (,except for a few exceptions).
In this version, TDX_CFG_F() already check against kvm_cpu_caps[], if these features
are not in kvm_cpu_caps[], it will not be exposed to userspace anyway.
>
> In the end, they might be disallowed to be configured to TDs because KVM
> doesn't allow them for VMX VMs. This is also the point I want to discuss.
> Do we really want to make such restriction that KVM cannot enable/allow a
> feature for TDs unless KVM first enables/allows it for VMX VMs? What's
> reason behind it?
Sean mentioned it that "generally speaking, KVM shouldn't allow features
that KVM doesn't support for non-TDX VMs" in
https://lore.kernel.org/kvm/aj1fi_0SBxMK5WOB@google.com/
>
>> unless people find it too confusing.
>> I can add a comment to clarify this.
>>
>>> BTW, this seems also breaks the current userspace after this series.
>>> - Before, EST/TM2/SDBG/XTPR/DCA are allowed to be exposed to TD
>>> - After, they are not.
>> This does change the values returned by KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES. However, my
>> understanding is that userspace is generally expected to only configure
>> features supported by both KVM and TDX, i.e. except for the features initialized
>> via TDX_CFG_EXTRA_F(), userspace is not expected to configure features not advertised
>> by kvm_cpu_caps[].
>> I can call this out in the changelog, and maybe also the doc for KVM_TDX_CAPABILITIES.
>
> yeah. This changes KVM's behavior and we definitely need to call it out,
> and provide justification.
>
>>> If we cares CORE_CAPABILITIES in patch 2, why EST/TM2/SDBG/XTPR/DCA don't matter?
>> Because CORE_CAPABILITIES was previously defined as fixed-1 in some old spec and
>> the QEMU marks it as fixed1. EST/TM2/SDBG/XTPR/DCA are not the case.
>
> I see. You added patch 2 because without it QEMU breaks. While for
> EST/TM2/SDBG/XTPR/DCA, QEMU doesn't break after they are turned to
> non-configurable. QEMU cannot represent all the userspace VMM. It still has
> the potential to breaks other userspace VMMs.
I think the risk is pretty low.
I am not sure if Sean could provide some insight about this in google's userspace
VMM.
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-09-02 16:19 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 43+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-08-27 3:18 [PATCH v3 0/4] KVM: TDX: Validate directly configurable CPUID bits Binbin Wu
2026-08-27 3:18 ` [PATCH v3 1/4] KVM: TDX: Track configurable CPUID bits allowed by KVM Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 6:29 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-01 8:23 ` Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 8:27 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-01 14:35 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-02 0:33 ` Binbin Wu
2026-09-02 15:09 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-02 16:19 ` Binbin Wu [this message]
2026-09-02 16:22 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-02 16:25 ` Binbin Wu
2026-09-03 7:28 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-03 8:57 ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-27 3:18 ` [PATCH v3 2/4] KVM: TDX: Report CORE_CAPABILITIES as configurable Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 6:45 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-02 17:43 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-03 2:22 ` Binbin Wu
2026-09-03 6:10 ` Kishen Maloor
2026-09-03 8:12 ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-27 3:18 ` [PATCH v3 3/4] KVM: TDX: Filter configurable CPUID bits Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 6:44 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-01 8:42 ` Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 9:09 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-09-03 8:04 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-03 8:23 ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-27 3:18 ` [PATCH v3 4/4] KVM: TDX: Validate userspace CPUID input for KVM_TDX_INIT_VM Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 6:47 ` Tony Lindgren
2026-08-27 19:33 ` [PATCH v3 0/4] KVM: TDX: Validate directly configurable CPUID bits Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-28 3:19 ` Binbin Wu
2026-08-28 16:58 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-08-31 5:01 ` Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 9:42 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-01 10:21 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-02 16:09 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-02 16:21 ` Binbin Wu
2026-09-01 9:38 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-01 17:41 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-02 10:29 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-02 13:13 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-02 13:39 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-02 13:53 ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2026-09-02 14:21 ` Xiaoyao Li
2026-09-02 16:26 ` Binbin Wu
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