From: "Martin J. Bligh" <mbligh@aracnet.com>
To: Larry McVoy <lm@bitmover.com>,
William Lee Irwin III <wli@holomorphy.com>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 08:00:45 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <8520000.1046102445@[10.10.2.4]> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20030224154725.GB5665@work.bitmover.com>
> I never said that I didn't. I'm just taking issue with the choosen path
> which has been demonstrated to not work.
>
> "Let's scale Linux by multi threading"
>
> "Err, that really sucked for everyone who has tried it in the past,
> all the code paths got long and uniprocessor performance suffered"
>
> "Oh, but we won't do that, that would be bad".
>
> "Great, how about you measure the changes carefully and really show
> that?"
>
> "We don't need to measure the changes, we know we'll do it right".
Most of the threading changes have been things like 1 thread per cpu, which
would seem to scale up and down rather well to me ... could you illustrate
by pointing to an example of something that's changed in that area which
you think is bad? Yes, if Linux started 2000 kernel threads on a UP system,
that would obviously be bad.
M.
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2003-02-22 19:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 20:24 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:02 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 22:06 ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 22:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:28 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 0:09 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 8:01 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-23 8:05 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 18:36 ` Andy Pfiffer
2003-02-22 22:44 ` Ben Greear
2003-02-23 23:29 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-23 23:37 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 4:57 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 6:10 ` Gerhard Mack
2003-02-24 6:52 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 7:46 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 7:44 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 7:54 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 8:00 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 8:40 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 8:50 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 16:17 ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:13 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:27 ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 23:54 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 23:54 ` yodaiken
2003-02-25 2:17 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:24 ` yodaiken
2003-02-25 2:35 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:43 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:32 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 2:40 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 5:24 ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-25 15:30 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 14:59 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 15:44 ` yodaiken
2003-02-26 19:31 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-27 0:56 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-27 20:04 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-25 2:07 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:14 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 2:24 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-25 2:46 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2003-02-25 14:47 ` Mr. James W. Laferriere
2003-02-25 15:59 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-24 8:56 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 9:09 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 9:24 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 9:56 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-24 10:11 ` Bill Huey
2003-02-24 14:40 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 21:10 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24 8:43 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 23:10 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 23:20 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:46 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 2:19 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25 3:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 5:12 ` Steven Cole
2003-02-25 20:37 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:36 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-25 23:28 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 23:41 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26 0:19 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-26 0:35 ` Hans Reiser
2003-02-26 16:31 ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 0:47 ` Steven Cole
2003-02-26 16:07 ` Horst von Brand
2003-02-26 19:47 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-26 6:04 ` Aaron Lehmann
2003-02-26 0:44 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 23:58 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-22 23:15 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 23:23 ` Christoph Hellwig
2003-02-22 23:54 ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-22 23:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 4:56 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 5:06 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 6:00 ` Mark Hahn
2003-02-24 6:02 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:06 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24 23:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 5:16 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 6:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 7:39 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 16:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:49 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 0:41 ` Server shipments [was Re: Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call] Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 0:41 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 0:54 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 2:00 ` Tupshin Harper
2003-02-25 3:54 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 3:00 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 3:13 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 4:11 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 4:17 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 4:21 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 4:37 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 22:02 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-25 23:19 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 23:46 ` Gerhard Mack
2003-02-26 4:23 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-26 5:05 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 5:27 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-02-26 9:36 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-26 12:09 ` Jesse Pollard
2003-02-26 16:42 ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2003-02-25 17:37 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 1:09 ` David Lang
2003-02-24 18:22 ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call John W. M. Stevens
2003-02-24 7:51 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-24 15:47 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 16:00 ` Martin J. Bligh [this message]
2003-02-24 16:23 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-24 16:25 ` yodaiken
2003-02-24 18:20 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-25 1:51 ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call - publishing performance data Craig Thomas
2003-02-24 16:31 ` Minutes from Feb 21 LSE Call Larry McVoy
2003-02-24 23:36 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 0:23 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 2:37 ` Werner Almesberger
2003-02-25 4:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 4:54 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 6:00 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 7:00 ` Val Henson
2003-02-24 13:28 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 5:19 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 5:26 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 21:21 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:14 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:21 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:08 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 22:10 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 22:37 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 22:58 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-25 6:17 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 17:11 ` Cliff White
2003-02-25 17:17 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:38 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:54 ` Dave Jones
2003-02-26 2:04 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-25 19:48 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:28 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 19:20 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-25 19:59 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 20:18 ` jlnance
2003-02-25 20:59 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-25 21:19 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-02-25 21:38 ` Scott Robert Ladd
2003-02-24 18:44 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-02-22 23:57 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-23 23:57 ` Bill Davidsen
2003-02-24 6:22 ` Val Henson
2003-02-24 6:41 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 21:29 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-24 2:04 linux
2003-02-24 2:39 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 3:28 ` David Lang
2003-02-26 5:30 ` Bernd Eckenfels
2003-02-26 5:42 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-26 7:22 ` David Lang
2003-02-27 17:50 ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-27 18:25 ` David Lang
2003-02-28 8:58 ` Filip Van Raemdonck
2003-02-28 19:48 ` Arador
2003-03-01 0:51 ` Chris Wedgwood
2003-03-01 1:14 ` Davide Libenzi
2003-03-01 1:27 ` David Lang
2003-03-01 14:15 ` Daniel Egger
2003-02-24 4:42 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 4:58 ` Linus Torvalds
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2003-02-22 0:25 ` William Lee Irwin III
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2003-02-22 0:44 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 2:47 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 4:32 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 5:05 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 6:39 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 8:38 ` Jeff Garzik
2003-02-22 22:18 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 0:50 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 11:22 ` Magnus Danielson
2003-02-23 19:54 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-23 1:17 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23 5:21 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 8:07 ` David Lang
2003-02-23 8:20 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-23 19:17 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 19:29 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 20:13 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 22:01 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:12 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 21:34 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-23 22:40 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:48 ` David Lang
2003-02-23 22:54 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 22:56 ` David Lang
2003-02-24 0:40 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 2:32 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 2:54 ` Linus Torvalds
2003-02-24 3:08 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 21:42 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-24 1:06 ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24 1:56 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 2:15 ` dean gaudet
2003-02-24 3:11 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-23 23:06 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-23 23:59 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 3:49 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-24 4:07 ` David Mosberger
2003-02-24 4:34 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-24 5:02 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 20:21 ` Xavier Bestel
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2003-02-23 23:57 ` Alan Cox
2003-02-24 1:26 ` Kenneth Johansson
2003-02-24 1:53 ` dean gaudet
2003-02-23 21:35 ` Alan Cox
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2003-02-24 0:36 ` yodaiken
2003-02-23 21:15 ` John Bradford
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2003-02-23 19:13 ` David Mosberger
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2003-02-23 20:48 ` Gerrit Huizenga
2003-02-23 9:37 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-22 8:38 ` David S. Miller
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2003-02-22 14:34 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 15:47 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:13 ` Larry McVoy
2003-02-22 16:29 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-22 16:33 ` Larry McVoy
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2003-02-22 8:32 ` David S. Miller
2003-02-22 18:20 ` Alan Cox
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2003-02-22 21:42 ` Christoph Hellwig
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2003-02-24 4:15 ` Russell Leighton
2003-02-24 5:11 ` William Lee Irwin III
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2003-02-23 0:37 ` Eric W. Biederman
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2003-02-23 14:29 ` Rik van Riel
2003-02-23 17:28 ` Eric W. Biederman
2003-02-24 1:42 ` Benjamin LaHaise
2003-02-23 3:24 ` Andrew Morton
2003-02-25 17:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 17:43 ` William Lee Irwin III
2003-02-25 17:59 ` Andrea Arcangeli
2003-02-25 18:04 ` William Lee Irwin III
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2003-02-25 19:18 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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2003-02-25 20:53 ` Martin J. Bligh
2003-02-25 21:17 ` Andrea Arcangeli
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