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From: Philipp Stanner <phasta@mailbox.org>
To: Boqun Feng <boqun@kernel.org>, Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org>
Cc: "Miguel Ojeda" <ojeda@kernel.org>, "Gary Guo" <gary@garyguo.net>,
	"Björn Roy Baron" <bjorn3_gh@protonmail.com>,
	"Benno Lossin" <lossin@kernel.org>,
	"Andreas Hindborg" <a.hindborg@kernel.org>,
	"Alice Ryhl" <aliceryhl@google.com>,
	"Trevor Gross" <tmgross@umich.edu>,
	"Danilo Krummrich" <dakr@kernel.org>,
	"Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	"Frederic Weisbecker" <frederic@kernel.org>,
	"Neeraj Upadhyay" <neeraj.upadhyay@kernel.org>,
	"Joel Fernandes" <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>,
	"Josh Triplett" <josh@joshtriplett.org>,
	"Uladzislau Rezki" <urezki@gmail.com>,
	"Steven Rostedt" <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	"Mathieu Desnoyers" <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	"Lai Jiangshan" <jiangshanlai@gmail.com>,
	Zqiang <qiang.zhang@linux.dev>,
	"Joel Fernandes (NVIDIA)" <joel@joelfernandes.org>,
	"Peter Zijlstra (Intel)" <peterz@infradead.org>,
	"Tamir Duberstein" <tamird@kernel.org>,
	rust-for-linux@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	rcu@vger.kernel.org,
	"Boris Brezillon" <boris.brezillon@collabora.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v1] rust: rcu: Add abstraction for call_rcu()
Date: Thu, 21 May 2026 09:25:28 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <857ba45ce62f7f209a3a764aeb2cd27dc067870d.camel@mailbox.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ag2-T9i2nFHjiYLm@tardis.local>

[+cc Boris]

On Wed, 2026-05-20 at 06:59 -0700, Boqun Feng wrote:
> Hi Philipp,

Hi Boqun; hope you're doing well

> 
> On Wed, May 20, 2026 at 03:17:26PM +0200, Philipp Stanner wrote:
> > call_rcu() can be expected to be needed by a great variety of users.
> > This functionality is almost always used for deallocating resources
> > after all accessors are gone. Hence, it appears reasonable to implement
> > the abstractions in such a way that the user merely passes data, which
> > is later (after a grace period) dropped.
> > 
> > In the rare cases where the user needs special action to take place,
> > this could be achieved through implementing a custom drop() method.
> > 
> > Implement a first minimal abstraction for call_rcu().
> > 
> 
> Thanks for the patch! Do you have have any reference usage of this new
> API, maybe contains how RCU readers will read the data?

Read the data? This design does not intend to have any readers.

I want it as some sort of trash-bin container that does nothing but
defer a drop(). Intended user will be this section here:

https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/pstanner/linux-drm-work/-/merge_requests/1/diffs#5ef8add7e1b3375ce9a0b47595b531244bf98dce_0_611


> 
> Compared to Alice's RcuBox proposal:
> 
> 	https://lore.kernel.org/rust-for-linux/20260116-rcu-box-v1-1-38ebfbcd53f0@google.com/
> 
> I do have a design question: is support data type like Arc<CallBack<T>>
> or Pin<VBox<Callback<T>> in the plan of this API? If so, how would that
> be like? A separate new() and submit() function or a separate data type?

I wasn't aware of Alice's proposal. Let me try whether I can make it
work for my purposes.

The idea behind my code here would be to have some minimalist RCU
wrapper that merely defers dropping data. So it's a fire-and-forget
mechanism that would not support Arc: take over ownership of the data,
have it be unaccessible, and drop it after a grace period.

Reason is that call_rcu() is most commonly needed for delaying a free()
operation.

Alice's idea seems more generic.

But I agree that large allocations, aka VBox, should be supported.


P.

> If not, what's the main difference between Callback API and RcuBox?
> 
> Regards,
> Boqun
> 
> > Signed-off-by: Philipp Stanner <phasta@kernel.org>
> > ---
> >  rust/helpers/rcu.c      |  1 +
> >  rust/kernel/sync.rs     |  1 +
> >  rust/kernel/sync/rcu.rs | 89 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++-
> >  3 files changed, 90 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
> > 
> > diff --git a/rust/helpers/rcu.c b/rust/helpers/rcu.c
> > index 481274c05857..c9cfc99c93d5 100644
> > --- a/rust/helpers/rcu.c
> > +++ b/rust/helpers/rcu.c
> > @@ -1,5 +1,6 @@
> >  // SPDX-License-Identifier: GPL-2.0
> >  
> > +#include <linux/types.h> /* for callback_head */
> >  #include <linux/rcupdate.h>
> >  
> >  __rust_helper void rust_helper_rcu_read_lock(void)
> > diff --git a/rust/kernel/sync.rs b/rust/kernel/sync.rs
> > index 993dbf2caa0e..1ddca3847b19 100644
> > --- a/rust/kernel/sync.rs
> > +++ b/rust/kernel/sync.rs
> > @@ -31,6 +31,7 @@
> >  pub use locked_by::LockedBy;
> >  pub use refcount::Refcount;
> >  pub use set_once::SetOnce;
> > +pub use rcu::Callback;
> >  
> >  /// Represents a lockdep class.
> >  ///
> > diff --git a/rust/kernel/sync/rcu.rs b/rust/kernel/sync/rcu.rs
> > index a32bef6e490b..caf71fa46f5e 100644
> > --- a/rust/kernel/sync/rcu.rs
> > +++ b/rust/kernel/sync/rcu.rs
> > @@ -4,7 +4,15 @@
> >  //!
> >  //! C header: [`include/linux/rcupdate.h`](srctree/include/linux/rcupdate.h)
> >  
> > -use crate::{bindings, types::NotThreadSafe};
> > +use crate::{
> > +    bindings,
> > +    prelude::*,
> > +    types::{
> > +        NotThreadSafe,
> > +        Opaque,
> > +    },
> > +    alloc::Flags,
> > +};
> >  
> >  /// Evidence that the RCU read side lock is held on the current thread/CPU.
> >  ///
> > @@ -50,3 +58,82 @@ fn drop(&mut self) {
> >  pub fn read_lock() -> Guard {
> >      Guard::new()
> >  }
> > +
> > +
> > +/// An RCU callback object. Carries the user's data to drop() it once a grace period ellapsed.
> > +///
> > +/// This object serves to implement C's `call_rcu()` method. Since it is almost
> > +/// always used to free a resource once a grace period ellapsed, the only thing
> > +/// this implementation does is drop the user's data. In the rare cases in which
> > +/// the user needs more action to take place, said actions need to be implemented
> > +/// on the user's data via the [`Drop`] trait.
> > +///
> > +/// # Examples
> > +///
> > +/// ```
> > +/// use kernel::sync::rcu::Callback;
> > +///
> > +/// struct Foo {};
> > +///
> > +/// impl Drop for Foo {
> > +///     fn drop(&mut self) {
> > +///         pr_info!("rcu::Foo Dropping.\n");
> > +///     }
> > +/// }
> > +///
> > +/// let data = Foo {};
> > +///
> > +/// let cb = Callback::new(data, GFP_KERNEL)?;
> > +/// cb.submit();
> > +///
> > +/// Ok::<(), Error>(())
> > +/// ```
> > +#[repr(C)]
> > +#[pin_data]
> > +pub struct Callback<T: Send + 'static> {
> > +    /// The RCU head. Only used (and initialized) by the C backend.
> > +    #[pin]
> > +    inner: Opaque<bindings::callback_head>,
> > +    /// The user's data. This should implement [`Drop`] if the user wants specific
> > +    /// actions, besides mere deallocation, to happen.
> > +    #[pin]
> > +    data: T,
> > +}
> > +
> > +impl<T: Send + 'static> Callback<T> {
> > +    /// Create a new callback.
> > +    pub fn new(data: impl PinInit<T>, flags: Flags) -> Result<Pin<KBox<Self>>> {
> > +        let cb = try_pin_init!(Self {
> > +            inner: Opaque::uninit(), // Only needed for the C backend, who will initialize it.
> > +            data <- data,
> > +        });
> > +
> > +        KBox::pin_init(cb, flags)
> > +    }
> > +
> > +    extern "C" fn callback(rcu_head: *mut bindings::callback_head) {
> > +        let cb_ptr = rcu_head as *mut Self;
> > +
> > +        // SAFETY: All [`Callback`] objects in this module are always created
> > +        // as `Pin<KBox<Self>>`. `Pin` is a transparent container. The action
> > +        // below merely serves re-creating the KBox so that it can drop properly.
> > +        let _cb = unsafe { KBox::from_raw(cb_ptr) };
> > +
> > +        // Self::data drops, ensuring the desired cleanup operation.
> > +    }
> > +
> > +    fn as_raw(&self) -> *mut bindings::callback_head {
> > +        self.inner.get()
> > +    }
> > +
> > +    /// Arm a [`Callback`]. One grace period after this function was called,
> > +    /// the callback object will be dropped.
> > +    pub fn submit(self: Pin<KBox<Self>>) {
> > +        // SAFETY: The memory is not moved by this code or the C backend.
> > +        let cb = unsafe { Pin::into_inner_unchecked(self) };
> > +        let ptr = KBox::into_raw(cb);
> > +        // SAFETY: `ptr` was just created validly above. `Self::callback` relies
> > +        // on the RCU module / code never being unloaded.
> > +        unsafe { bindings::call_rcu((*ptr).as_raw(), Some(Self::callback)) };
> > +    }
> > +}
> > -- 
> > 2.49.0
> > 


  reply	other threads:[~2026-05-21  7:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 9+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-05-20 13:17 Philipp Stanner
2026-05-20 13:59 ` Boqun Feng
2026-05-21  7:25   ` Philipp Stanner [this message]
2026-05-26 16:10     ` Boqun Feng
2026-05-27  5:52       ` Alice Ryhl
2026-05-27  5:59         ` Boqun Feng
2026-05-27  6:31           ` Philipp Stanner
2026-05-28 15:06             ` Boqun Feng
2026-05-27  7:42 ` Alvin Sun

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