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In-Reply-To: <20180601091133.GA27521@kroah.com> References: <20180601091133.GA27521@kroah.com> Message-ID: <87bmcurpzd.fsf@notabene.neil.brown.name> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha256; protocol="application/pgp-signature" Sender: linux-fsdevel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-fsdevel@vger.kernel.org X-getmail-retrieved-from-mailbox: INBOX X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org List-ID: --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain On Fri, Jun 01 2018, Greg Kroah-Hartman wrote: > > So, let's just delete the whole mess. Now the lustre developers can go > off and work in their out-of-tree codebase and not have to worry about > providing valid changelog entries and breaking their patches up into > logical pieces. I find it incredible that anyone would think that not having to "worry about providing valid changelogs" and not "breaking their patches up into logic pieces" could ever be seen as a good idea. I hope that if lustre development is excluded from mainline for a time, that we can still maintain the practices that demonstrably work so well. For the record: I'm not in favor of ejecting this code from mainline. I think that the long term result may be that it never comes back, and will like at least delay the process. But you must do what you think is best. 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