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From: Nix <nix@esperi.org.uk>
To: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org>
Cc: "Makan Pourzandi (QB/EMC)" <makan.pourzandi@ericsson.com>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-security-module@vger.kernel.org,
	Serue Hallyen <serue@us.ibm.com>,
	Axelle Apvrille <axelle_apvrille@rc1.vip.ukl.yahoo.com>,
	disec-devel@lists.sourceforge.net
Subject: Re: [ANNOUNCE] Release Digsig 1.5: kernel module for run-timeauthentication of binaries
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2006 21:32:39 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87hd4ipvdk.fsf@hades.wkstn.nix> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1145897277.3116.44.camel@laptopd505.fenrus.org> (Arjan van de Ven's message of "24 Apr 2006 17:49:52 +0100")

On 24 Apr 2006, Arjan van de Ven announced authoritatively:
> On Mon, 2006-04-24 at 12:27 -0400, Makan Pourzandi (QB/EMC) wrote:
>> Hi Arjan, 
>> 
>> I hope I correctly understood your question, DigSig uses LSM hooks to
>> check the digital signature before loading it, then as long as your elf
>> loader uses kernel system calls, it's covered by DigSig. 
> 
> ok I have to admit that this answer worries me.
> 
> how can it be covered? How do you distinguish an elf loader application
> (which just uses open + mmap after all) with... say a grep-calling perl
> script?

It checks mmap and mprotect with PROT_EXEC, and execve().

> As long as you allow apps to mmap (or even just read() a file into
> memory).... they can start acting like an elf loader if they chose to do
> so. And.. remember it's not the files WITH signature you're protecting
> against (which you could check) but the ones WITHOUT. And there are many
> of those; and you can't sign ALL files I think, not without going
> through really great hoops anyway.

Why not? It's one command with bsign:

bsign -s -I -i / -e /proc

will sign every ELF shared object and executable on the system.

-- 
`On a scale of 1-10, X's "brokenness rating" is 1.1, but that's only
 because bringing Windows into the picture rescaled "brokenness" by
 a factor of 10.' --- Peter da Silva

  reply	other threads:[~2006-04-24 20:33 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 25+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2006-04-24 16:27 Makan Pourzandi (QB/EMC)
2006-04-24 16:47 ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 20:32   ` Nix [this message]
2006-04-24 20:45     ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-24 23:35       ` Nix
2006-04-25  6:30         ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25  7:16           ` Nix
2006-04-25 16:11             ` Axelle Apvrille
2006-04-25 16:56               ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 18:57                 ` Nix
2006-04-25 19:37                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-25 19:52                     ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-26  4:43                       ` Kyle Moffett
2006-04-25 19:01               ` Chris Boot
2006-04-25 19:09                 ` Valdis.Kletnieks
2006-04-25 20:00                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-28 15:33               ` Ulrich Drepper
2006-04-28 16:09                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-28 16:11                   ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-28 16:29                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-28 17:53                       ` Arjan van de Ven
2006-04-28 20:48                       ` Michael Tokarev
2006-04-28 18:16                   ` Christoph Hellwig
2006-04-28 19:22                     ` Serge E. Hallyn
2006-04-25 13:00           ` Geert Uytterhoeven

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