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From: Florian Weimer <fweimer@redhat.com>
To: "Paul E. McKenney via Libc-alpha" <libc-alpha@sourceware.org>
Cc: paulmck@kernel.org, Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Mathieu Desnoyers <mathieu.desnoyers@efficios.com>,
	linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 2/5] nptl: Add rseq registration
Date: Mon, 06 Dec 2021 21:26:51 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87k0ghlbsk.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20211206201122.GE641268@paulmck-ThinkPad-P17-Gen-1> (Paul E. McKenney via Libc-alpha's message of "Mon, 6 Dec 2021 12:11:22 -0800")

* Paul E. McKenney via Libc-alpha:

>> The C memory model is broken and does not prevent out-of-thin-air
>> values.  As far as I know, this breaks single-copy atomicity.  In
>> practice, compilers will not exercise the latitude offered by the memory
>> model.  volatile does not ensure absence of data races.
>
> Within the confines of the standard, agreed, use of the volatile keyword
> does not explicitly prevent data races.
>
> However, volatile accesses are (informally) defined to suffice for
> device-driver memory accesses that communicate with devices, whether via
> MMIO or DMA-style shared memory.  The device-driver firmware is often
> written in C or C++.  So doesn't this informal device-driver guarantee
> need to also do what is needed for userspace code that is communicating
> with kernel code?  If not, why not?

The informal guarantee is probably good enough here, too.  However, the
actual accesses are behind macros, and those macros use either
non-volatile plain reads or inline assembler (which use
single-instruction naturally aligned reads).

THanks,
Florian


  reply	other threads:[~2021-12-06 20:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
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     [not found]   ` <1780152866.15126.1638809966443.JavaMail.zimbra@efficios.com>
     [not found]     ` <871r2podt9.fsf@oldenburg.str.redhat.com>
2021-12-06 18:52       ` Mathieu Desnoyers
2021-12-06 19:03         ` Florian Weimer
2021-12-06 20:11           ` Paul E. McKenney
2021-12-06 20:26             ` Florian Weimer [this message]
2021-12-06 21:08               ` Paul E. McKenney

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