From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
David Drysdale <drysdale@google.com>,
"Michael Kerrisk \(man-pages\)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
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Subject: Re: [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:09:10 -0600 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oaq6oypl.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150111011559.GG4574@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (Rich Felker's message of "Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:15:59 -0500")
Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> writes:
> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 04:27:23PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> writes:
>>
>> > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 04:14:57AM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
>>
>> >> Except that if your interpreter does stat(2) (or access(2), or getxattr(2),
>> >> etc.) before bothering with open(2), you'll get screwed.
>> >
>> > Yes, but I think that would be very bad interpreter design.
>> > stat/getxattr/access/whatever followed by open is always a TOCTOU
>> > race. The correct sequence of actions is always open followed by
>> > fstat/fgetxattr/...
>>
>> Sigh. I think everyone who has looked at this has been blind.
>>
>> If userspace is reasonable all we have to do is fix /proc/self/exe
>> for shell scripts to point at the actual script,
>> and then pass /proc/self/exe on the shell scripts command line.
>>
>> At a practical level we have to worry about backwards compability and
>> chroot jails. But the existence of a clean implementation with
>> /proc/self/exe serves a proof of concept that it would not be too
>> difficult. When someone cares enough to implement it.
>
> Is /proc/self/exe a "magic symlink" that's bound to the inode, or just
> a regular symlink? In the latter case it defeats the whole purpose of
> using O_EXEC fds and fexecve rather than pathnames.
In implementation /proc/self/exe is a named rather than a numbered file
descriptor. Essentially when loading an elf executable the file
descriptor is duped to the name /proc/self/exe. The implementation
otherwise is the same as /proc/self/fd/N.
The downside of course is that I expect if we were actually to change
/proc/self/exe from to point at the script instead of the shell some
piece of software somewhere would come melting down. I am totally not
ready to consider that kind of mine field today.
Eric
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2015-01-11 2:12 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2014-11-24 11:53 [PATCHv10 0/5] syscalls,x86,sparc: Add execveat() system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 1/5] syscalls: implement " David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 2/5] x86: Hook up execveat " David Drysdale
2014-11-24 12:45 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 17:06 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:26 ` David Drysdale
2014-11-25 12:16 ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:53 ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 3/5] syscalls: add selftest for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 4/5] sparc: Hook up execveat system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 18:36 ` David Miller
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2015-01-09 15:47 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 16:13 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 17:46 ` David Drysdale
2015-01-09 20:48 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 20:56 ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 20:59 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 21:09 ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 21:28 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 21:50 ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:17 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 22:33 ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:42 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 22:57 ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:12 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 23:24 ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-09 23:37 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 0:01 ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:36 ` Al Viro
2015-01-10 3:03 ` Al Viro
2015-01-10 3:41 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 4:14 ` Al Viro
2015-01-10 5:57 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 22:27 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-11 1:15 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-11 2:09 ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2015-01-11 11:02 ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-01-12 14:18 ` David Drysdale
2015-01-09 22:13 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-09 22:38 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 1:17 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-10 1:33 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-12 11:33 ` David Drysdale
2015-01-12 16:07 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 7:13 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 21:20 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-09 21:31 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 7:43 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10 8:27 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10 13:31 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 7:38 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 18:02 ` David Drysdale
2015-01-10 7:56 ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
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