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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx>
Cc: Al Viro <viro@ZenIV.linux.org.uk>,
	David Drysdale <drysdale@google.com>,
	"Michael Kerrisk \(man-pages\)" <mtk.manpages@gmail.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	Meredydd Luff <meredydd@senatehouse.org>,
	"linux-kernel\@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	David Miller <davem@davemloft.net>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Stephen Rothwell <sfr@canb.auug.org.au>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	"H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>, Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>,
	Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>, X86 ML <x86@kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	sparclinux@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2)
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:09:10 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87oaq6oypl.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20150111011559.GG4574@brightrain.aerifal.cx> (Rich Felker's message of "Sat, 10 Jan 2015 20:15:59 -0500")

Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> writes:

> On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 04:27:23PM -0600, Eric W. Biederman wrote:
>> Rich Felker <dalias@aerifal.cx> writes:
>> 
>> > On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 04:14:57AM +0000, Al Viro wrote:
>> 
>> >> Except that if your interpreter does stat(2) (or access(2), or getxattr(2),
>> >> etc.) before bothering with open(2), you'll get screwed.
>> >
>> > Yes, but I think that would be very bad interpreter design.
>> > stat/getxattr/access/whatever followed by open is always a TOCTOU
>> > race. The correct sequence of actions is always open followed by
>> > fstat/fgetxattr/...
>> 
>> Sigh.  I think everyone who has looked at this has been blind.
>> 
>> If userspace is reasonable all we have to do is fix /proc/self/exe
>> for shell scripts to point at the actual script,
>> and then pass /proc/self/exe on the shell scripts command line.
>> 
>> At a practical level we have to worry about backwards compability and
>> chroot jails.  But the existence of a clean implementation with
>> /proc/self/exe serves a proof of concept that it would not be too
>> difficult.  When someone cares enough to implement it.
>
> Is /proc/self/exe a "magic symlink" that's bound to the inode, or just
> a regular symlink? In the latter case it defeats the whole purpose of
> using O_EXEC fds and fexecve rather than pathnames.

In implementation /proc/self/exe is a named rather than a numbered file
descriptor.  Essentially when loading an elf executable the file
descriptor is duped to the name /proc/self/exe.  The implementation
otherwise is the same as /proc/self/fd/N.

The downside of course is that I expect if we were actually to change
/proc/self/exe from to point at the script instead of the shell some
piece of software somewhere would come melting down.  I am totally not
ready to consider that kind of mine field today.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2015-01-11  2:12 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 54+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2014-11-24 11:53 [PATCHv10 0/5] syscalls,x86,sparc: Add execveat() system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 1/5] syscalls: implement " David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 2/5] x86: Hook up execveat " David Drysdale
2014-11-24 12:45   ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 17:06   ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:26     ` David Drysdale
2014-11-25 12:16       ` Dan Carpenter
2014-11-24 18:53     ` Thomas Gleixner
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 3/5] syscalls: add selftest for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 4/5] sparc: Hook up execveat system call David Drysdale
2014-11-24 18:36   ` David Miller
2014-11-24 11:53 ` [PATCHv10 man-pages 5/5] execveat.2: initial man page for execveat(2) David Drysdale
2015-01-09 15:47   ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 16:13     ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 17:46       ` David Drysdale
2015-01-09 20:48         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 20:56           ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 20:59             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 21:09               ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 21:28                 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 21:50                   ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:17                     ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 22:33                       ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 22:42                         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 22:57                           ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:12                             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-09 23:24                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-01-09 23:37                                 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  0:01                                 ` Al Viro
2015-01-09 23:36                               ` Al Viro
2015-01-10  3:03                                 ` Al Viro
2015-01-10  3:41                                   ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  4:14                                     ` Al Viro
2015-01-10  5:57                                       ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10 22:27                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-11  1:15                                           ` Rich Felker
2015-01-11  2:09                                             ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2015-01-11 11:02                                               ` Christoph Hellwig
2015-01-12 14:18                     ` David Drysdale
2015-01-09 22:13                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-09 22:38                     ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  1:17                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-10  1:33                         ` Rich Felker
2015-01-12 11:33                           ` David Drysdale
2015-01-12 16:07                             ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:13                     ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 21:20               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-01-09 21:31                 ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:43         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10  8:27         ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-10 13:31           ` Rich Felker
2015-01-10  7:38       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)
2015-01-09 18:02     ` David Drysdale
2015-01-10  7:56       ` Michael Kerrisk (man-pages)

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