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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	linux-arch <linux-arch@vger.kernel.org>,
	Linux API <linux-api@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexey Gladkov <legion@kernel.org>, Kyle Huey <me@kylehuey.com>,
	Oleg Nesterov <oleg@redhat.com>,
	Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/8] signal: Make SIGKILL during coredumps an explicit special case
Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 13:47:05 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87sfu3b7wm.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wiS2P+p9VJXV_fWd5ntashbA0QVzJx15rTnWOCAAVJU_Q@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Tue, 4 Jan 2022 10:44:59 -0800")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Mon, Dec 13, 2021 at 2:54 PM Eric W. Biederman <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>         if (signal->flags & (SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT | SIGNAL_GROUP_COREDUMP)) {
>> -               if (!(signal->flags & SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT))
>> -                       return sig == SIGKILL;
>> +               struct core_state *core_state = signal->core_state;
>> +               if (core_state) {
>
> This change is very confusing.
>
> Also, why does it do that 'signal->core_state->dumper.task', when we
> already know that it's the same as 'signal->group_exit_task'?
>
> The only thing that sets 'signal->core_state' also sets
> 'signal->group_exit_task', and the call chain has set both to the same
> task.
>
> So the code is odd and makes little sense.

As you say signal->group_exit_task, and core_state->dumper.task point to
the same task.  So it may be a little silly when viewed independently of
everything else to use core_state->dumper.task instead of
group_exit_task as it is an extra cache line dereference.

The thing is signal->group_exit_task is only used by coredumps currently
as a flag to tell signal_group_exit to return true.  It is exec that
actually uses signal->group_exit_task in conjunction with
signal->notify_count to wake itself up.

Using a pointer as a flag and not for it's value.  Having different
semantics for who sets the pointer.  All of those are weird enough
I just want to make signal->group_exit_task to go away.

By using core_state->dumper.task I was able to make
signal->group_exit_task exclusive to the exec case in the following
changes, and to rename it signal->group_exec_task so no one gets
confused what the field is for.

> But what's even more odd is how it
>
>  (a) sends the SIGKILL to somebody else
>
>  (b) does *NOT* send SIGKILL to itself
>
> Now, (a) is explained in the commit message. The intent is to signal
> the core dumper.

Which is the a specific thread of the target process, and it is
the only thread running of the target process.

> But (b) looks like a fundamental change in semantics. The target of
> the SIGKILL is still running, might be in some loop in the kernel that
> wants to be interrupted by a fatal signal, and you expressly disabled
> the code that would send that fatal signal.
>
> If I send SIGKILL to thread A, then that SIGKILL had *better* be
> delivered. To thread A, which may be in a "mutex_lock_killable()" or
> whatever else.
>
> The fact that thread B may be in the process of trying to dump core
> doesn't change that at all, as far as I can see.
>
> So I think this patch is fundamentally buggy and wrong. Or at least
> needs much more explanation of why you'd not send SIGKILL to the
> target thread.

If you look at zap_threads.  You can observe that it takes the siglock,
sets SIGNAL_GROUP_COREDUMP, and sets signal->core_state and in
zap_process makes SIGKILL pending is the per-task sigset, and calls
signal_wake_up on every task.

This case in prepare_signal happens after that.  After every task
has been told to die, and __fatal_signal_pending is true for all of
them if they have not reached do_exit yet.



If you look in zap_threads you will see that the core dumping thread
clears TIF_SIGPENDING, and in general makes fatal_signal_pending false
for itself.  But keep in mind that this thread because it is dumping
core is already on the path to do_exit.  It has already processed a
fatal signal.


So in the special case I only worry about the dumping task as it is the
only task after zap_threads that does not have fatal_signal_pending.


This is different than the ordinary case of delivering SIGKILL
where complete_signal makes SIGKILL pending in the per-task sigset
of every task in the process.


Currently I suspect changing wait_event_uninterruptible to
wait_event_killable, is causing problems.

Or perhaps there is some reason tasks that have already entered do_exit
need to have fatal_signal_pending set. (The will have
fatal_signal_pending set up until they enter get_signal which calls
do_group_exit which calls do_exit).

Which is why I am trying to reproduce the reported failure so I can get
the kernel to tell me what is going on.  If this is not resolved quickly
I won't send you this change, and I will pull it out of linux-next.

Eric

  reply	other threads:[~2022-01-04 19:47 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 193+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-12-08 20:17 [PATCH 00/10] Removal of most do_exit calls Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 01/10] exit/s390: Remove dead reference to do_exit from copy_thread Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-12 17:48   ` Heiko Carstens
2021-12-13 14:50     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05  4:25     ` Al Viro
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 02/10] exit: Add and use make_task_dead Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05  5:01   ` Al Viro
2022-01-05 20:46     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05 21:53       ` Al Viro
2022-01-05 22:51         ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-05 23:34           ` Al Viro
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 03/10] exit: Move oops specific logic from do_exit into make_task_dead Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05  5:48   ` Al Viro
2022-01-06  7:08     ` Al Viro
2022-01-07  3:42     ` Al Viro
2022-01-07 19:02       ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-07 18:59     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-17  8:05       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-17 12:15         ` Heiko Carstens
2022-01-17 13:17           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-17 13:24         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-01-17 13:27           ` [PATCH] microblaze: remove CONFIG_SET_FS Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-09 13:50             ` Michal Simek
2022-02-09 13:52               ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-09 14:03                 ` Michal Simek
2022-02-09 14:40               ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-09 14:44                 ` Michal Simek
2022-02-09 14:54                   ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-09 23:31                     ` Stafford Horne
2022-02-11  0:17                       ` Stafford Horne
2022-02-11 16:59                         ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-11 17:46                           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-02-11 20:57                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2022-02-11 21:10                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-02-11 22:21                                 ` Stafford Horne
2022-02-14  7:41                             ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-14  7:50                           ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-02-14 16:20                             ` Arnd Bergmann
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 04/10] exit: Stop poorly open coding do_task_dead in make_task_dead Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05  5:58   ` Al Viro
2022-01-05 22:33     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 05/10] exit: Stop exporting do_exit Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05  6:02   ` Al Viro
2022-01-05 22:36     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 06/10] exit: Implement kthread_exit Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-07  2:27   ` Al Viro
2022-01-08 18:35     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-08 22:44       ` David Laight
2022-01-10 15:00         ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-09  3:27       ` Al Viro
2022-01-10 15:05         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 07/10] exit: Rename module_put_and_exit to module_put_and_kthread_exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 08/10] exit: Rename complete_and_exit to kthread_complete_and_exit Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 09/10] kthread: Ensure struct kthread is present for all kthreads Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-22 18:19   ` Nathan Chancellor
2021-12-22 18:30     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-22 18:46       ` Nathan Chancellor
2021-12-22 23:22         ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-23  0:37           ` Nathan Chancellor
2021-12-23  1:44           ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-23  3:34             ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-23  5:19               ` [PATCH] kthread: Generalize pf_io_worker so it can point to struct kthread Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-23 17:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-07  3:59   ` [PATCH 09/10] kthread: Ensure struct kthread is present for all kthreads Al Viro
2022-01-08 18:20     ` Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-08 20:25 ` [PATCH 10/10] exit/kthread: Move the exit code for kernel threads into struct kthread Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-07  3:22   ` Al Viro
2021-12-13 22:50 ` [PATCH 0/8] signal: Cleanup of the signal->flags Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:30   ` [PATCH 00/17] exit: Making task exiting a first class concept Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:32     ` [PATCH 01/17] exit: Remove profile_task_exit & profile_munmap Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-04  7:38       ` Christoph Hellwig
2022-01-07  3:48       ` Al Viro
2022-01-08 16:10         ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:32     ` [PATCH 02/17] exit: Coredumps reach do_group_exit Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:32     ` [PATCH 03/17] exit: Fix the exit_code for wait_task_zombie Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:32     ` [PATCH 04/17] exit: Use the correct exit_code in /proc/<pid>/stat Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 05/17] taskstats: Cleanup the use of task->exit_code Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 06/17] ptrace: Remove second setting of PT_SEIZED in ptrace_attach Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 07/17] ptrace: Remove unused regs argument from ptrace_report_syscall Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 08/17] ptrace/m68k: Stop open coding ptrace_report_syscall Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-10 15:26       ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-10 16:20         ` Al Viro
2022-01-10 16:25           ` Al Viro
2022-01-10 17:54           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-10 20:37             ` Al Viro
2022-01-10 21:18               ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-11  1:33             ` Michael Schmitz
2022-01-11 22:42               ` Finn Thain
2022-01-12  0:20                 ` Michael Schmitz
2022-01-12  3:32                   ` Finn Thain
2022-01-12  7:54                     ` Michael Schmitz
2022-01-12  7:55                   ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2022-01-12  8:05                     ` Michael Schmitz
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 09/17] ptrace: Move setting/clearing ptrace_message into ptrace_stop Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 10/17] ptrace: Return the signal to continue with from ptrace_stop Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 11/17] ptrace: Separate task->ptrace_code out from task->exit_code Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 12/17] signal: Compute the process exit_code in get_signal Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 13/17] signal: Make individual tasks exiting a first class concept Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 14/17] signal: Remove zap_other_threads Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 15/17] signal: Add JOBCTL_WILL_EXIT to mark exiting tasks Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 16/17] signal: Record the exit_code when an exit is scheduled Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-03 21:33     ` [PATCH 17/17] signal: Always set SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT on process exit Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09  0:13     ` [PATCH 00/13] Removing tracehook.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 01/13] ptrace: Move ptrace_report_syscall into ptrace.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:19         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 02/13] ptrace/arm: Rename tracehook_report_syscall report_syscall Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:20         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 03/13] ptrace: Create ptrace_report_syscall_{entry,exit} in ptrace.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:26         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 04/13] ptrace: Remove arch_syscall_{enter,exit}_tracehook Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:29         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 05/13] ptrace: Remove tracehook_signal_handler Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:29         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 06/13] task_work: Remove unnecessary include from posix_timers.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:30         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 07/13] task_work: Introduce task_work_pending Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 21:05         ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-09 23:24           ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 23:26             ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-09 22:31         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 08/13] task_work: Call tracehook_notify_signal from get_signal on all architectures Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-10  5:57         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-10 19:04           ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-10 20:00             ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 09/13] task_work: Decouple TIF_NOTIFY_SIGNAL and task_work Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:36         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 10/13] signal: Move set_notify_signal and clear_notify_signal into sched/signal.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:36         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 11/13] resume_user_mode: Remove #ifdef TIF_NOTIFY_RESUME in set_notify_resume Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:39         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 12/13] resume_user_mode: Move to resume_user_mode.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:54         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 16:24       ` [PATCH 13/13] tracehook: Remove tracehook.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 22:55         ` Kees Cook
2022-03-09 21:05       ` [PATCH 00/13] Removing tracehook.h Jens Axboe
2022-03-15 23:18       ` [PATCH 0/2] ptrace: Making the ptrace changes atomic Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-15 23:21         ` [PATCH 1/2] ptrace: Move setting/clearing ptrace_message into ptrace_stop Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-17 17:46           ` Oleg Nesterov
2022-03-17 19:10           ` Kees Cook
2022-03-18 14:44             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-18 17:20               ` Kees Cook
2022-03-15 23:22         ` [PATCH 2/2] ptrace: Return the signal to continue with from ptrace_stop Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-17 18:08           ` Oleg Nesterov
2022-03-17 18:31             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-18 19:43               ` Oleg Nesterov
2022-03-18 14:40             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-17 19:13           ` Kees Cook
2022-03-18 14:52             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-18 17:28               ` Kees Cook
2022-03-28 23:56         ` [GIT PULL] ptrace: Cleanups for v5.18 Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-29  0:03           ` Jens Axboe
2022-03-29  0:33           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-29  0:53             ` Stephen Rothwell
2022-03-29  0:58               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-29  3:37             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-29  4:49               ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-29  5:20                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-03-29  0:35           ` pr-tracker-bot
2022-03-09  0:15     ` [PATCH 00/13] Removing tracehook.h Eric W. Biederman
2022-03-09 20:58       ` Linus Torvalds
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 1/8] signal: Make SIGKILL during coredumps an explicit special case Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-04  6:30   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-01-04 16:18     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05 19:58     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-05 21:39       ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-01-08 18:13         ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-08 18:15           ` [PATCH 1/2] signal: Have prepare_signal detect coredumps using signal->core_state Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-08 18:15           ` [PATCH 2/2] signal: Make coredump handling explicit in complete_signal Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-11  8:59           ` [PATCH 1/8] signal: Make SIGKILL during coredumps an explicit special case Dmitry Osipenko
2022-01-11 17:20             ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-18 17:30               ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-01-18 17:52                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-18 18:01                   ` Dmitry Osipenko
2022-01-04 18:44   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-04 19:47     ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2022-01-08 19:13       ` Heiko Carstens
     [not found]         ` <87ilurwjju.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>
     [not found]           ` <87o84juwhg.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>
2022-01-10 23:00             ` Olivier Langlois
2022-01-11 17:28               ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-11 18:51                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-11 19:19                   ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-15  0:12                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-15 19:23                       ` Olivier Langlois
2022-01-17 16:09                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-17 18:46                           ` io_uring truncating coredumps Eric W. Biederman
2022-01-18  4:23                             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-01-26 15:06                           ` [PATCH 1/8] signal: Make SIGKILL during coredumps an explicit special case Olivier Langlois
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 2/8] signal: Drop signals received after a fatal signal has been processed Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 3/8] signal: Have the oom killer detect coredumps using signal->core_state Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 4/8] signal: During coredumps set SIGNAL_GROUP_EXIT in zap_process Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 5/8] signal: Remove SIGNAL_GROUP_COREDUMP Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 6/8] coredump: Stop setting signal->group_exit_task Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 7/8] signal: Rename group_exit_task group_exec_task Eric W. Biederman
2021-12-13 22:53 ` [PATCH 8/8] signal: Remove the helper signal_group_exit Eric W. Biederman

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