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From: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: lkml <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Ben Hutchings <ben@decadent.org.uk>, Jessica Yu <jeyu@redhat.com>,
	Jiri Kosina <jkosina@suse.cz>, Kees Cook <keescook@chromium.org>,
	Libor Pechacek <lpechacek@suse.com>,
	Paul Gortmaker <paul.gortmaker@windriver.com>,
	Prarit Bhargava <prarit@redhat.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>
Subject: Re: [PULL] modules-next
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2016 09:40:14 +0930	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87shuoxc7t.fsf@rustcorp.com.au> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CA+55aFxZragtLY5Th4_P4k8FcCo+3eUv7YOMGqbNohr9Rcd0oQ@mail.gmail.com>

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:
> So this feels wrong to me, can you guys please explain:
>
> On Sun, Jul 31, 2016 at 9:02 PM, Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> wrote:
>>
>> Ben Hutchings (3):
>>       module: Invalidate signatures on force-loaded modules
>>       module: Disable MODULE_FORCE_LOAD when MODULE_SIG_FORCE is enabled
>
> forcing a load and SIG_FORCE are entirely independent issues, afaik. I
> think requiring signed modules is just a good idea. But that doesn't
> necessarily mean that you don't have a signed module that is signed
> with a key you trust, but you still want to force-load it for the
> wrong kernel version (ie maybe you have a binary-only module from your
> IT department (and your IT department is evil,but at least they sign
> it to show that the module is trust-worthy as coming from them, even
> if they have some dubious behavior), but you did some kernel updates
> that still allow the module to work but the version doesn't match any
> more).
>
> Am I missing something? What's the connection between
> MODULE_FORCE_LOAD and MODULE_SIG_FORCE? Because it smells like they
> are independent and that the above changes are very very dubious.
>
> I didn't actually pull the tree, I just reacted to the pull request itself.

Well, MODULE_FORCE_LOAD is really "I am a doing crazy shit", and
MODULE_SIG_FORCE is "Don't let me do crazy shit".

You have to contrive pretty hard to get a situation where the
combination makes sense, so I tend to let Ben worry about the module
signing stuff.

I can pull them out of modules-next if you'd prefer.

Cheers,
Rusty.

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-08-02  4:35 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 22+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2016-08-01  1:02 Rusty Russell
2016-08-01  1:44 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-08-01 19:11   ` Ben Hutchings
2016-08-02  0:10   ` Rusty Russell [this message]
2016-08-04  0:50     ` Rusty Russell
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2015-11-08 23:42 Rusty Russell
2015-06-30  2:47 Rusty Russell
2015-02-13  6:43 Rusty Russell
2014-12-19  0:55 Rusty Russell
2014-12-19  5:01 ` Linus Torvalds
2014-12-22  1:21   ` Rusty Russell
2014-09-16 15:48 Rusty Russell
2014-08-11  2:32 Rusty Russell
2014-06-11  5:33 Rusty Russell
2014-06-11 10:55 ` Mark Brown
2014-06-12  1:25   ` Rusty Russell
2014-06-12 11:27     ` Mark Brown
2014-06-13  1:03       ` Rusty Russell
2014-06-13  9:24         ` Mark Brown
2014-06-13 10:04           ` Geert Uytterhoeven
2013-07-10  3:55 Rusty Russell
2013-02-19 23:14 Rusty Russell

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