From: Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>
To: Jaidev Shastri via B4 Relay
<devnull+jaidevshastri.vt.edu@kernel.org>,
John Stultz <jstultz@google.com>, Stephen Boyd <sboyd@kernel.org>,
Miroslav Lichvar <mlichvar@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Jaidev Shastri <jaidevshastri@vt.edu>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] timekeeping: publish suspend_timing_needed with release semantics
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2026 14:05:07 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tsn8i7po.ffs@fw13> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260921-mb-timekeeping-v1-1-282f1f4121ed@vt.edu>
On Mon, Sep 21 2026 at 21:23, Jaidev Shastri via wrote:
> From: Jaidev Shastri <jaidevshastri@vt.edu>
>
> timekeeping_suspend() sets suspend_timing_needed with a plain store
> after it has read the persistent clock. timekeeping_rtc_skipresume()
> reads it with a plain load on behalf of the RTC class during resume.
> Set it with smp_store_release() and read it with smp_load_acquire().
>
> Found with MBCheck, a static herd7-based memory consistency checker.
And what exactly is this release/acquire solving?
1) timekeeping_suspend()
suspend_timing_needed = true
...
2) system suspends
3) system resumes
4) timekeeping_resume()
if (inject_sleeptime)
suspend_timing_needed = false
5) system continues to resume
6) timekeeping_rtc_skipresume()
The store in #1 is completely uninteresting because suspend/resume is a big
pile of memory barriers so there is _ZERO_ chance that #6 cannot observe
the store in #1.
The more interesting case would be the conditional store in #4 which in
a pretty far fetched theory could lead to the case that
timekeeping_rtc_skipresume() would not observe it.
But if you actually look at the sequence which is between #4 and #6 this
theory becomes a myth.
Please analyze your tool findings properly before blindly claiming that
the tool actually found something problematic.
Thanks,
tglx
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