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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: "H. Peter Anvin" <hpa@zytor.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@amacapital.net>,
	security@debian.org, "security\@kernel.org" <security@kernel.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"security\@ubuntu.com \>\> security" <security@ubuntu.com>,
	Peter Hurley <peter@hurleysoftware.com>,
	Serge Hallyn <serge.hallyn@ubuntu.com>, Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>,
	Aurelien Jarno <aurelien@aurel32.net>,
	One Thousand Gnomes <gnomes@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>,
	Jann Horn <jann@thejh.net>, Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.com>, Florian Weimer <fw@deneb.enyo.de>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 01/16] devpts: Attempting to get it right
Date: Tue, 19 Apr 2016 17:06:33 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87twixgsnq.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <alpine.LFD.2.20.1604161105040.30857@i7> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Sat, 16 Apr 2016 11:31:14 -0700 (PDT)")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> So I've looked at the devpts patches some more, and I'm still not happy 
> with them.
>
> And one thing I really detest about them is that the 16-patch series 
> didn't really make me warm and fuzzy in general. Some of the patches were 
> fine, but on the whole it all still looked rather hacky.
>
> So I started looking at the code with the intent of trying to clean things 
> up _gradually_, knowing roughly where we want to end up, but also trying 
> to make single patches that look sane on their own, and can be judged on 
> their own without any other patches or even any semantic arguments.
>
> And this appended patch is I think the first step.
>
> What this does is get rid of the horrible notion of having that
>
>     struct inode *ptmx_inode
>
> be the interface between the pty code and devpts. By de-emphasizing the 
> ptmx inode, a lot of things actually get cleaner, and we will have a much 
> saner way forward.
>
> The patch itself is actually fairly straightforward, and apart from some 
> locking cleanups it's pretty mechanical:
>
>  - the interfaces that devpts exposes all take "struct pts_fs_info *" 
>    instead of "struct inode *ptmx_inode" now.
>
>    NOTE! The "struct pts_fs_info" thing is a completely opaque structure 
>    as far as the pty driver is concerned: it's still declared entirely 
>    internally to devpts. So the pty code can't actually access it in any 
>    way, just pass it as a "cookie" to the devpts code.
>
>  - the "look up the pts fs info" is now a single clear operation, that 
>    also does the reference count increment on the pts superblock.
>
>    So "devpts_add/del_ref()" is gone, and replaced by a "lookup and get 
>    ref" operation (devpts_get_ref(inode)), along with a "put ref" op
>    (devpts_put_ref()).
>
>  - the pty master "tty->driver_data" field now contains the pts_fs_info, 
>    not the ptmx inode.
>
>  - because we don't care about the ptmx inode any more as some kind of 
>    base index, the ref counting can now drop the inode games - it just 
>    gets the ref on the superblock.
>
>  - the pts_fs_info now has a back-pointer to the super_block. That's so 
>    that we can easily look up the information we actually need. Although 
>    quite often, the pts fs info was actually all we wanted, and not having 
>    to look it up based on some magical inode makes things more
>    straightforward.
>
> Now, I haven't actually *tested* the patch very much: it compiles, it 
> boots, and my (fairly limited) environment still works, but that's by no 
> means exhaustive. So I may have screwed something up, but most of this was 
> really fairly straightforward.
>
> But more importantly, I think it all makes sense independently of anything 
> else. In particular, now that "devpts_get_ref(inode)" operation should 
> really be the *only* place we need to look up what devpts instance we're 
> associated with, and we do it exactly once, at ptmx_open() time.
>
> So I think this is a good step forward, while avoiding anything that could 
> be at all controversial.
>
> Comments about the patch?

Mostly I think it is six of one half dozen of the other, but given
driver_data is used so few times and that those times are very clear
whether we are accessing a master or a slave worth doing just for
clarity.

I have work inspired by this rolled into my code.  I will post shortly
after a little more testing.

Eric

  parent reply	other threads:[~2016-04-19 22:17 UTC|newest]

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2015-12-11 19:40                     ` [PATCH] devpts: Sensible /dev/ptmx & force newinstance Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-11 20:50                       ` Linus Torvalds
2015-12-11 21:03                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-11 21:04                       ` Al Viro
2015-12-11 21:11                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-11 21:48                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-11 22:07                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-11 22:12                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-11 22:18                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-11 22:24                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-11 22:29                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-11 22:35                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-11 22:52                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-11 22:58                                     ` Jann Horn
2015-12-11 23:00                                       ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-11 23:07                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-11 23:16                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
2015-12-11 23:30                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-11 22:57                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-14 19:47                       ` Peter Hurley
2015-12-14 19:55                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-19 21:13                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-20  4:11                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-20  4:35                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2015-12-20  9:42                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-21 22:03                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2015-12-21 22:23                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-05  0:03                                     ` [PATCH 00/13] devpts: New instances for every mount Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                       ` [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 02/13] devpts: More obvious check for the system devpts in pty allocation Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 03/13] devpts: Cleanup newinstance parsing Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 04/13] devpts: Stop rolling devpts_remount by hand in devpts_mount Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 05/13] devpts: Fail early (if appropriate) on overmount Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 06/13] devpts: Use the same default mode for both /dev/ptmx and dev/pts/ptmx Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 07/13] devpts: Move parse_mount_options into fill_super Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 08/13] devpts: Make devpts_kill_sb safe if fsi is NULL Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 09/13] devpts: Move the creation of /dev/pts/ptmx into fill_super Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 10/13] devpts: Simplify devpts_mount by using mount_nodev Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 11/13] vfs: Implement mount_super_once Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 12/13] devpts: Always return a distinct instance when mounting Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  1:29                                         ` [PATCH 13/13] devpts: Kill the DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCE config option Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-05  2:54                                         ` [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Al Viro
2016-04-05  3:03                                           ` Al Viro
2016-04-08 18:54                                             ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-07 16:06                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-08 18:51                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-08 19:05                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-08 20:05                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-08 20:43                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-08 21:29                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-08 21:54                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-08 23:03                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-08 21:56                                                   ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-09 13:09                                             ` One Thousand Gnomes
2016-04-09 14:10                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-09 14:45                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-09 22:37                                                   ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-10  0:01                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-10  0:06                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-10  0:16                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-10  0:44                                                           ` Andy Lutomirski
     [not found]                                                             ` <CA+55aFzs00iDkYhvFCq=AZMVcNL0+oZT4SeimTeVurJq=5ZS3A@mail.gmail.com>
2016-04-11 14:48                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-12  1:31                                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-04-11 20:12                                                               ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-11 20:10                                                                 ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-11 20:16                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-11 23:37                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-12  0:01                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-12  0:10                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-12  1:06                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-12  1:18                                                                           ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-12  1:23                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-12  1:47                                                                             ` Al Viro
2016-04-12  1:34                                                                         ` Al Viro
2016-04-12  2:16                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-12 17:44                                                                 ` Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-12 18:12                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-12 19:07                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-15 15:34                                                                       ` [PATCH 01/16] devpts: Attempting to get it right Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                         ` [PATCH 01/16] devpts: Use the same default mode for both /dev/ptmx and dev/pts/ptmx Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 02/16] devpts: Set the proper fops for /dev/pts/ptmx Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 03/16] vfs: Implement vfs_loopback_mount Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 04/16] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to automount the appropriate devpts via path lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 22:03                                                                             ` Jann Horn
2016-04-19 18:46                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 05/16] vfs: Allow unlink, and rename on expirable file mounts Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 06/16] devpts: More obvious check for the system devpts in pty allocation Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 07/16] devpts: Cleanup newinstance parsing Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 08/16] devpts: Stop rolling devpts_remount by hand in devpts_mount Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 09/16] devpts: Fail early (if appropriate) on overmount Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 10/16] devpts: Move parse_mount_options into fill_super Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 11/16] devpts: Make devpts_kill_sb safe if fsi is NULL Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 12/16] devpts: Move the creation of /dev/pts/ptmx into fill_super Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 13/16] devpts: Simplify devpts_mount by using mount_nodev Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 14/16] vfs: Implement mount_super_once Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 23:02                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-19 18:22                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-19 18:47                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-19 19:03                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-19 19:25                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-19 19:26                                                                                       ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-20  3:27                                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-20 11:50                                                                                           ` Austin S. Hemmelgarn
2016-04-20 16:12                                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-19 18:55                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-19 23:29                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-20  1:24                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-20  1:37                                                                                     ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 15/16] devpts: Always return a distinct instance when mounting Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 15:35                                                                           ` [PATCH 16/16] devpts: Kill the DEVPTS_MULTIPLE_INSTANCE config option Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 16:49                                                                         ` [PATCH 01/16] devpts: Attempting to get it right Andy Lutomirski
2016-04-15 20:43                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-15 21:29                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-19 19:00                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-16 18:31                                                                         ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-19 18:44                                                                           ` Does anyone care about a race free ptsname? Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-19 19:16                                                                             ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-19 20:32                                                                               ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-19 20:55                                                                                 ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-19 20:42                                                                             ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-04-19 23:23                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-19 23:39                                                                               ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-04-20  0:18                                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-20  1:48                                                                                 ` Serge E. Hallyn
2016-04-19 22:06                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2016-04-19 23:35                                                                             ` [PATCH 01/16] devpts: Attempting to get it right Linus Torvalds
2016-04-20  0:24                                                                               ` Peter Hurley
2016-04-20  0:49                                                                                 ` Peter Hurley
2016-04-20  3:04                                                                               ` [PATCH] devpts: Make each mount of devpts an independent filesystem Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-20  3:25                                                                                 ` Al Viro
2016-04-20  3:43                                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-20  4:11                                                                                     ` Al Viro
2016-04-20  4:21                                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-20  4:36                                                                                 ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2016-04-20  4:49                                                                                   ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-20 14:55                                                                                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-20 15:34                                                                                       ` Konstantin Khlebnikov
2016-04-20 15:50                                                                                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-20 17:00                                                                                         ` [PATCH v2] " Eric W. Biederman
     [not found]                                                                                           ` <874mabt3df.fsf_-_@x220.int.ebiederm.org>
2016-05-06 19:04                                                                                             ` [PATCH 1/1] " Eric W. Biederman
2016-05-06 19:35                                                                                             ` [PATCH 0/1] devpts: Removing the need for pt_chown Greg KH
2016-05-06 19:45                                                                                               ` Peter Hurley
2016-05-06 19:54                                                                                                 ` Greg KH
2016-06-02 15:29                                                                                                   ` [PATCH tty-next] devpts: Make each mount of devpts an independent filesystem Eric W. Biederman
2016-06-02 18:57                                                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-06-02 20:22                                                                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-06-02 20:36                                                                                                         ` H. Peter Anvin
2016-06-02 21:23                                                                                                           ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-06-02 21:44                                                                                                             ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-11 23:49                                                               ` [PATCH 01/13] devpts: Teach /dev/ptmx to find the associated devpts via path lookup Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-12  0:08                                                                 ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-12  0:22                                                                   ` Eric W. Biederman
2016-04-12  0:50                                                                     ` Linus Torvalds
2016-04-11 20:05                                                       ` Eric W. Biederman

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