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From: Kevin Hilman <khilman@deeprootsystems.com>
To: "Arve Hjønnevåg" <arve@android.com>
Cc: "Rafael J. Wysocki" <rjw@sisk.pl>,
	linux-pm@lists.linux-foundation.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Greg KH <gregkh@suse.de>,
	Mark Brown <broonie@opensource.wolfsonmicro.com>,
	Alan Stern <stern@rowland.harvard.edu>,
	Brian Swetland <swetland@google.com>,
	Daniel Walker <dwalker@fifo99.com>,
	"Theodore Ts'o" <tytso@mit.edu>, Matthew Garrett <mjg@redhat.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 7)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2010 09:18:12 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87tyq5qj3v.fsf@deeprootsystems.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTilQ5wZ_7fMyDMpUBCtu9oD1Wh22JGllyS1EPlxB@mail.gmail.com> ("Arve =?iso-8859-1?Q?Hj=F8nnev=E5g=22's?= message of "Mon\, 17 May 2010 17\:52\:46 -0700")

Arve Hjønnevåg <arve@android.com> writes:

>
> PM: Opportunistic suspend support.
>
> Power management features present in the current mainline kernel are
> insufficient to get maximum possible energy savings on some platforms,
> such as Android, because low power states can only safely be entered
> from idle.  Suspend, in its current form, cannot be used, since wakeup
> events that occur right after initiating suspend will not be processed
> until another possibly unrelated event wake up the system again.

I think the problems with wakeups in the current suspend path need to
be described in more detail.  In particular, why check_wakeup_irqs()
is not enough etc.

> On some systems idle combined with runtime PM can enter the same power
> state as suspend, but periodic wakeups increase the average power
> consumption. Suspending the system also reduces the harm caused by
> apps that never go idle. On other systems suspend can enter a much
> lower power state than idle.
>
> To allow Android and similar platforms to save more energy than they
> currently can save using the mainline kernel, we introduce a mechanism
> by which the system is automatically suspended (i.e. put into a
> system-wide sleep state) whenever it's not doing useful work, called
> opportunistic suspend.

A definition of "useful work" here would provide clarity and would
also help clarify by what criteria other on-going work is determined
to be not useful.

Kevin

  reply	other threads:[~2010-05-18 16:25 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 50+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2010-05-14  4:11 Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11 ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11   ` [PATCH 2/8] PM: suspend_block: Add driver to access suspend blockers from user-space Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11     ` [PATCH 3/8] PM: suspend_block: Abort task freezing if a suspend_blocker is active Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11       ` [PATCH 4/8] PM: suspend_block: Add debugfs file Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11         ` [PATCH 5/8] PM: suspend_block: Add suspend_blocker stats Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11           ` [PATCH 6/8] PM: Add suspend blocking work Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11             ` [PATCH 7/8] Input: Block suspend while event queue is not empty Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-14  4:11               ` [PATCH 8/8] power_supply: Block suspend while power supply change notifications are pending Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 13:11   ` [PATCH 1/8] PM: Add suspend block api Pavel Machek
2010-05-20  9:11     ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20  9:26       ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-20 22:18         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-21  6:04           ` Florian Mickler
2010-05-27 15:41           ` Pavel Machek
2010-05-14 21:08 ` [PATCH 0/8] Suspend block api (version 7) Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17  4:50   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-17 19:01     ` Mike Snitzer
2010-05-17 21:42     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 22:16       ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18  0:52       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 16:18         ` Kevin Hilman [this message]
2010-05-18 18:52           ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:04             ` Kevin Hilman
2010-05-18 22:29               ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-19  0:00           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 19:13         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 20:47           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 21:48             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:03               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 22:34                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:52                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 23:19                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 23:42                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-19 20:39                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-19 21:34                           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-20 22:21                             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-16 19:42 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17  4:16   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-17 20:40     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 20:51       ` Brian Swetland
2010-05-17 21:44         ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-17 23:32           ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 19:38             ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 20:35               ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 21:14                 ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 22:21                   ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-18 22:56                     ` Rafael J. Wysocki
2010-05-18 23:06                       ` Arve Hjønnevåg
2010-05-19 20:40                         ` Rafael J. Wysocki

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