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From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>,
	Kiryl Shutsemau <kas@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, printk@lists.linux.dev,
	gustavold@gmail.com, samuelcrossley@gmail.com,
	ryan.roberts@arm.com, brads@mainlining.org, x86@kernel.org,
	Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org>,
	kernel-team@meta.com, stable@vger.kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH 1/2] printk: nbcon: Flush unsafe consoles from printk() in panic
Date: Thu, 05 Nov 2026 15:40:33 +0106	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v76bz6rq.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261102-panic_unsafe_flush-v1-1-12d1e22fd6d8@debian.org>

On 2026-11-02, Breno Leitao <leitao@debian.org> wrote:
> --- a/kernel/printk/nbcon.c
> +++ b/kernel/printk/nbcon.c
> @@ -1688,7 +1692,15 @@ static void __nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(u64 stop_seq)
>   */
>  void nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(void)
>  {
> -	__nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(prb_next_reserve_seq(prb));
> +	u64 stop_seq = prb_next_reserve_seq(prb);
> +
> +	__nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(stop_seq, false);
> +
> +	if (panic_on_this_cpu() && oops_in_progress) {
> +		panic_nbcon_allow_unsafe_takeover = true;
> +		__nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(stop_seq, true);
> +		panic_nbcon_allow_unsafe_takeover = false;
> +	}
>  }
>  
>  /**

This part of the patch gave me some ideas. First, I like the idea of
putting the policy handling code inside
nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(). This keeps the code outside of
kernel/printk fairly simple:

1. In emergency sections, printk() is calling
nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(), which always skips
CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE.

2. During panic, printk() is calling nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(), which
via policy could include CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE (in a 2nd internal
loop, after all safe atomic consoles are attempted).

3. After kthreads are shutdown, printk() is calling
nbcon_atomic_flush_pending(), which via policy could include
CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE (in a 2nd internal loop, after all safe atomic
consoles are attempted).

For the above situations, no new flushing calls are needed. But there is
another scenario for CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE (and unsafe printing in
general):

4. If the kernel ends in a way other than the final panic() loop, (for
example kexec, sysrq-r, panic+reboot), the above scenarios do not allow
unsafe printing. For the related code points we could call
nbcon_atomic_flush_unsafe() and it could handle the policy of unsafe
flushing depending on the context, which would allow
CON_NBCON_ATOMIC_UNSAFE to flush here as well.

The unsafe policy flags could be something like:

PANIC_PRINTK
- panic: all printk() calls during panic
- checked in nbcon_atomic_flush_pending() of #2
- if ((policy & PANIC_PRINTK) && panic_in_progress())

NORMAL_FLUSH
- non-panic: atomic flush calls: shutdown, reboot, kexec
- checked in nbcon_atomic_flush_pending() of #3
- checked in nbcon_atomic_flush_unsafe() of #4
- if ((policy & NORMAL_FLUSH) && !panic_in_progress())

PANIC_FLUSH
- panic: unsafe atomic flush calls: reboot, kexec
- checked in nbcon_atomic_flush_unsafe() of #4
- if ((policy & PANIC_FLUSH) && panic_in_progress())

Netconsole originally wanted by default:

    .policy = NORMAL_FLUSH | PANIC_FLUSH,

But this last series shows that netconsole actually wants:

    .policy = NORMAL_FLUSH | PANIC_FLUSH | PANIC_PRINTK,

These are slightly different policies. But as long as printk supports
all 3 policy flags, we do not care which policies are chosen.

I am happy to code up a full implementation if you think this has merit
or you want to see the patch to decide.

John

  reply	other threads:[~2026-11-05 14:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-11-02 18:14 [PATCH 0/2] panic: flush unsafe consoles before reboot and kdump Breno Leitao
2026-11-02 18:14 ` [PATCH 1/2] printk: nbcon: Flush unsafe consoles from printk() in panic Breno Leitao
2026-11-05 14:34   ` John Ogness [this message]
2026-11-05 15:37     ` Breno Leitao
2026-11-02 18:14 ` [PATCH 2/2] crash: Flush unsafe consoles before machine_crash_shutdown() Breno Leitao

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