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From: ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman)
To: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
Cc: Alexey Dobriyan <adobriyan@gmail.com>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	Linux Kernel Mailing List <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	Alexey Gladkov <gladkov.alexey@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [GIT PULL] proc fixes v2 for v5.8-rc1
Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 15:02:16 -0500	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87v9jwm4s7.fsf@x220.int.ebiederm.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAHk-=wh7nZNf81QPcgpDh-0jzt2sOF3rdUEB0UcZvYFHDiMNkw@mail.gmail.com> (Linus Torvalds's message of "Fri, 12 Jun 2020 12:46:25 -0700")

Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org> writes:

> On Fri, Jun 12, 2020 at 12:34 PM Eric W. Biederman
> <ebiederm@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>> ebiederm@xmission.com (Eric W. Biederman) writes:
>
> What happened to that first version of the email? I never got it..

A little distracted I think.  I forgot to edit the above line out,
and v2 because it is my second pull request for a proc fix into
v5.8-rc1.

>> Looking at the code the fsnotify watch should have been removed by
>> fsnotify_sb_delete in generic_shutdown_super.
>
> Hmm. Correct. The new_inode_pseudo() is for things that don't have
> quotas, fsnotify or writeback.
>
> That was used somewhat intentionally on /proc, though. /proc certainly
> doesn't have quotas or writeback.

It also means we break our debugging by not putting inodes on the s_inodes list.

AKA this line in generic_shutdown_super is also depent on that behavior.
	if (!list_empty(&sb->s_inodes)) {
		printk("VFS: Busy inodes after unmount of %s. "
		   "Self-destruct in 5 seconds.  Have a nice day...\n",
		   sb->s_id);
	}

> And fsnotify on /proc seems a bit questionably too. Do people actually
> _do_ this and depend on it, or is this just about syzbot doing
> something odd and thus showing the problem?
>
> Anyway, I have pulled your fix, because I think it's reasonable and
> safe, but I do wonder if we should have kept the new_inode_pseudo(),
> and instead just make fsnotify say "you can't notify on an inode that
> isn't on the superblock list". Hmm?
>
> Is fsnotify on /proc really sensible? Do we actually generate any
> useful notifications?

I don't know of any proc code that does anything to make
fsnotify/inotify work.  Since changes to proc are not initialiated
through the vfs that probably means fsnotify is pretty much useless.

I have a sense that a use after free that anyone can trigger could be a
bit dangerous, and despite not being the only virtual filesystem in the
kernel proc is the only virtual filesystem that called new_inode_pseudo.

Eric


  reply	other threads:[~2020-06-12 20:06 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2020-06-03 14:47 [GIT PULL] proc changes " Eric W. Biederman
2020-06-04 21:15 ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-06-10 21:45 ` [GIT PULL] proc fixes " Eric W. Biederman
2020-06-10 22:05   ` pr-tracker-bot
2020-06-12 19:29   ` [GIT PULL] proc fixes v2 " Eric W. Biederman
2020-06-12 19:46     ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-12 20:02       ` Eric W. Biederman [this message]
2020-06-12 20:16         ` Linus Torvalds
2020-06-12 22:47           ` Eric W. Biederman
2020-06-12 19:50     ` pr-tracker-bot

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