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From: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
To: Liang Hao <haohlliang@gmail.com>,
	Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>
Cc: Anna-Maria Behnsen <anna-maria@linutronix.de>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>,
	Shuah Khan <skhan@linuxfoundation.org>,
	Randy Dunlap <rdunlap@infradead.org>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, Liang Hao <haohlliang@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6] docs: real-time: mention the hrtimer sleeper HARD path
Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2026 15:44:16 -0600	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <87wlt6ezin.fsf@trenco.lwn.net> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260820163858.27984-1-haohlliang@gmail.com>

Liang Hao <haohlliang@gmail.com> writes:

> The Timers section documents the PREEMPT_RT softirq default and
> HRTIMER_MODE_HARD, but not the sleeper helper used by userspace sleeps.
> Describe that path, and rename "ktimersd" to "ktimers" to match
> ksoftirqd naming in this document.
>
> No code or behaviour change.
>
> Signed-off-by: Liang Hao <haohlliang@gmail.com>
> ---
> v5 -> v6:
> - clarify soft delivery for non-RT sleepers (softirq context, not
>   HRTIMER_MODE_SOFT)
>
>  Documentation/core-api/real-time/differences.rst | 10 +++++++++-
>  1 file changed, 9 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>
> diff --git a/Documentation/core-api/real-time/differences.rst b/Documentation/core-api/real-time/differences.rst
> index a129570dab5a..6f5be9f0da2e 100644
> --- a/Documentation/core-api/real-time/differences.rst
> +++ b/Documentation/core-api/real-time/differences.rst
> @@ -119,12 +119,20 @@ timers initialized with the HRTIMER_MODE_SOFT flag, which are executed in
>  softirq context.
>  
>  On a PREEMPT_RT kernel, this behavior is reversed: hrtimers are executed in
> -softirq context by default, typically within the ktimersd thread. This thread
> +softirq context by default, typically within the ktimers thread. This thread
>  runs at the lowest real-time priority, ensuring it executes before any
>  SCHED_OTHER tasks but does not interfere with higher-priority real-time
>  threads. To explicitly request execution in hard interrupt context on
>  PREEMPT_RT, the timer must be marked with the HRTIMER_MODE_HARD flag.
>  
> +Userland sleepers usually deploy a hrtimer to guarantee a precise wakeup
> +time. The timer is initialized with hrtimer_setup_sleeper_on_stack(), which
> +distinguishes between real-time and regular tasks. The hrtimer of a task
> +without a real-time priority is handled in soft interrupt context, but for
> +real-time priorities HRTIMER_MODE_HARD is used. This ensures that real-time
> +tasks are woken up as soon as possible while ordinary tasks cannot block the
> +CPU with a thundering herd of wakeups.
> +
>  Memory allocation
>  -----------------

Applied, thanks.

jon

      parent reply	other threads:[~2026-08-31 21:44 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 12+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-08-07 16:19 [PATCH] docs: timers: hrtimers: clarify expiry modes and ktimersd on PREEMPT_RT Liang Hao
2026-08-12 14:54 ` [PATCH v2] " Liang Hao
2026-08-12 15:08   ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-13 14:57   ` [PATCH v3] " Liang Hao
2026-08-14  9:49     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-14 16:12       ` [PATCH v4] docs: real-time: mention the hrtimer sleeper HARD path Liang Hao
2026-08-20  8:21         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-20 14:46           ` [PATCH v5] " Liang Hao
2026-08-20 14:52             ` sashiko-bot
2026-08-20 16:38             ` [PATCH v6] " Liang Hao
2026-08-26  8:26               ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2026-08-31 21:44               ` Jonathan Corbet [this message]

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