From: John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>
To: Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com>
Cc: Sergey Senozhatsky <senozhatsky@chromium.org>,
Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
Mukesh Ojha <quic_mojha@quicinc.com>,
Chunlei Wang <chunlei.wang@mediatek.com>
Subject: Re: [RFC PATCH printk v1] printk: ringbuffer: Do not skip non-finalized with prb_next_seq()
Date: Thu, 02 Nov 2023 14:54:23 +0106 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <87zfzwp8pk.fsf@jogness.linutronix.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <ZTkxOJbDLPy12n41@alley>
On 2023-10-25, Petr Mladek <pmladek@suse.com> wrote:
> there seems to be missing word in the subject:
>
> s/non-finalized/non-finalized records/
Ack.
> On Thu 2023-10-19 15:31:45, John Ogness wrote:
>> Commit f244b4dc53e5 ("printk: ringbuffer: Improve prb_next_seq()
>> performance") introduced an optimization for prb_next_seq() by
>> using best-effort to track recently finalized records. However,
>> the order of finalization does not necessarily match the order
>> of the records. This can lead to prb_next_seq() returning
>> higher than desired sequence numbers, which results in the
>> reader skipping over records that are not yet finalized. From
>> the reader's perspective it results in messages never being
>> seen.
>
> IMHO, "messages never being seen" is too strong.
Agreed. A reader does not use prb_next_seq() to decide what to print
next. Worst case it thinks records are available that are not (available
for that reader).
> I have found only one (or two) scenarios where the messages might
> really get lost.
>
> 1. It might happen when real console is replacing a boot console.
> The real console is initialized with the value returned
> by prb_next_seq(). And the boot console might not be able
> to flush earlier non-finalized records.
This cannot happen because in this situation console_init_seq() sets
@seq to the lowest boot console counter.
> 2. The other scenario is based on the fact that console_unlock()
> or pr_flush() might see lower prb_next_seq() than the last
> reserved record. It means that they might not flush all
> pending records.
>
> But wait! This is actually the opposite case. pr_flush()
> and console_unlock() might miss the messages when
> they see too low prb_next_seq().
>
> Important: This problem existed since introducing
> the lockless ring buffer!
>
> The question is. Should pr_flush() and console_unlock()
> wait until all registered messages get finalized?
>
> It would need to ignore only the last record when it
> is not finalized because it might be a continuous line.
Yes, this is the question to answer.
With the lockless ringbuffer we allow multiple CPUs/contexts to write
simultaneously into the buffer. This creates an ambiguity as some
writers will finalize sooner.
IMHO we need 2 different functions:
1. A function that reports the last contiguous finalized record for a
reader. This is useful for syslog and kmsg_dump to know what is
available for them to read. We can use @last_finalized_seq for this,
optimizing it correctly this time.
2. A function that reports the last reserved sequence number of a
writer. This is useful for pr_flush and console_unlock to know when they
are finished. This function can begin with @last_finalized_seq, looking
for the last finalized record (skipping over any non-finalized).
> I agree that this might be optimized. I think about reducing the
> number of cmpxchg even more, something like:
>
> static void desc_update_last_finalized(struct prb_desc_ring *desc_ring)
> {
> struct prb_desc_ring *desc_ring = &rb->desc_ring;
> u64 prev_seq = desc_last_finalized_seq(desc_ring);
> u64 seq = prev_seq;
>
> try_again:
> while (_prb_read_valid(rb, &seq, NULL, NULL))
> seq++;
>
> if (seq == prev_seq)
> return;
>
> oldval = __u64seq_to_ulseq(prev_seq);
> newval = __u64seq_to_ulseq(seq);
>
> if (!atomic_long_try_cmpxchg_relaxed(&desc_ring->last_finalized_seq,
> &oldval, newval)) {
> prev_seq = seq;
> goto try_again;
> }
> }
I am fine with this implementation.
> It looks to me that we could keep passing desc_ring as the parameter.
No, _prb_read_valid() needs it.
> I feel that we need a read barrier here. It should be between the
> above
>
> atomic_long_read(&desc_ring->last_finalized_seq))
>
> and the below
>
> while (_prb_read_valid(rb, &seq, NULL, NULL))
> seq++;
>
> It should make sure that the _prb_read_valid() will see all messages
> finalized which were seen finalized by the CPU updating
> desc_ring->last_finalized_seq.
Generally we have not concerned ourselves with readers. But I agree we
should make the optimization coherent with what a reader can actually
read. It might save some CPU cycles for polling tasks.
Writing and reading of @last_finalized_seq will provide the necessary
boundaries to guarantee this:
...finalize record...
atomic_long_try_cmpxchg_release(&desc_ring->last_finalized_seq, ...);
and
atomic_long_read_acquire(&desc_ring->last_finalized_seq);
...read record...
This guarantees that if a reader sees a certain @last_finalized_seq
value, that they will also see the record that was finalized.
This will be the 13th memory barrier pair to be added to the
documentation.
I would like to submit a new patch implementing things as described
here.
John
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-11-02 13:48 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-10-19 13:25 John Ogness
2023-10-19 13:39 ` John Ogness
2023-10-25 15:16 ` Petr Mladek
2023-10-26 8:07 ` Petr Mladek
2023-11-02 13:48 ` John Ogness [this message]
2023-11-03 12:31 ` Petr Mladek
2023-11-03 13:31 ` John Ogness
2023-11-03 15:58 ` Petr Mladek
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