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From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>,
	Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Joe Jin <joe.jin@oracle.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
	tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
	dave.hansen@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 09:33:49 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <884aa233ef46d5209b2d1c92ce992f50a76bd656.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a461bf3f-c17e-9c3f-56aa-726225e8391d@oracle.com>

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On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 13:15 -0700, Dongli Zhang wrote:
> 
> 
> We want more frequent KVM_REQ_MASTERCLOCK_UPDATE.
> 
> This is because:
> 
> 1. The vcpu->hv_clock (kvmclock) is based on its own mult/shift/equation.
> 
> 2. The raw monotonic (tsc_clocksource) uses different mult/shift/equation.
> 
> 3. As a result, given the same rdtsc, kvmclock and raw monotonic may return
> different results (this is expected because they have different
> mult/shift/equation).
> 
> 4. However, the base in  kvmclock calculation (tsc_timestamp and system_time)
> are derived from raw monotonic clock (master clock)

That just seems wrong. I don't mean that you're incorrect; it seems
*morally* wrong.

In a system with X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC, why would KVM choose to use
a *different* mult/shift/equation (your #1) to convert TSC ticks to
nanoseconds than the host CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW does (your #2).

I understand that KVM can't track the host's CLOCK_MONOTONIC, as it's
adjusted by NTP. But CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW is supposed to be consistent.

Fix that, and the whole problem goes away, doesn't it?

What am I missing here, that means we can't do that?

Alternatively... with X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC, why do the sync at all?
If KVM wants to decide that the TSC runs at a different frequency to
the frequency that the host uses for CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW, why can't KVM
just *stick* to that?


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  reply	other threads:[~2023-10-02  8:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-09-26 23:06 Dongli Zhang
2023-09-27  0:29 ` Joe Jin
2023-09-27  0:36   ` Dongli Zhang
2023-09-28 16:18     ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-29 20:15       ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02  8:33         ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2023-10-02 16:37           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 17:17             ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02 18:18               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 21:06                 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 21:16                   ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 18:16             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03  0:53               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  1:32                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03  1:49                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  2:07                     ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 21:00                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03  5:54                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:04                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 10:01                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 18:06                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 19:13                         ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-11  0:20                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-11  7:18                             ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 18:07                               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 18:21                                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 19:02                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 19:12                                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 20:03                                       ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 20:12                                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-13 23:26                                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-14  9:49                                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:47                                       ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 16:25                                         ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 17:04                                           ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 18:49                                           ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-16 22:04                                             ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 22:48                                               ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-17 16:18                                                 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03  9:12                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:07                   ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04  8:06                     ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03 14:29                 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04  0:10                   ` Sean Christopherson

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