From: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
To: Dongli Zhang <dongli.zhang@oracle.com>,
Sean Christopherson <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: Joe Jin <joe.jin@oracle.com>,
x86@kernel.org, kvm@vger.kernel.org,
linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, pbonzini@redhat.com,
tglx@linutronix.de, mingo@redhat.com, bp@alien8.de,
dave.hansen@linux.intel.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/1] KVM: x86: add param to update master clock periodically
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2023 09:33:49 +0100 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <884aa233ef46d5209b2d1c92ce992f50a76bd656.camel@infradead.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <a461bf3f-c17e-9c3f-56aa-726225e8391d@oracle.com>
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On Fri, 2023-09-29 at 13:15 -0700, Dongli Zhang wrote:
>
>
> We want more frequent KVM_REQ_MASTERCLOCK_UPDATE.
>
> This is because:
>
> 1. The vcpu->hv_clock (kvmclock) is based on its own mult/shift/equation.
>
> 2. The raw monotonic (tsc_clocksource) uses different mult/shift/equation.
>
> 3. As a result, given the same rdtsc, kvmclock and raw monotonic may return
> different results (this is expected because they have different
> mult/shift/equation).
>
> 4. However, the base in kvmclock calculation (tsc_timestamp and system_time)
> are derived from raw monotonic clock (master clock)
That just seems wrong. I don't mean that you're incorrect; it seems
*morally* wrong.
In a system with X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC, why would KVM choose to use
a *different* mult/shift/equation (your #1) to convert TSC ticks to
nanoseconds than the host CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW does (your #2).
I understand that KVM can't track the host's CLOCK_MONOTONIC, as it's
adjusted by NTP. But CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW is supposed to be consistent.
Fix that, and the whole problem goes away, doesn't it?
What am I missing here, that means we can't do that?
Alternatively... with X86_FEATURE_CONSTANT_TSC, why do the sync at all?
If KVM wants to decide that the TSC runs at a different frequency to
the frequency that the host uses for CLOCK_MONOTONIC_RAW, why can't KVM
just *stick* to that?
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next prev parent reply other threads:[~2023-10-02 8:34 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2023-09-26 23:06 Dongli Zhang
2023-09-27 0:29 ` Joe Jin
2023-09-27 0:36 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-09-28 16:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-09-29 20:15 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02 8:33 ` David Woodhouse [this message]
2023-10-02 16:37 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 17:17 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-02 18:18 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-02 21:06 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 21:16 ` Peter Zijlstra
2023-10-02 18:16 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03 0:53 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 1:32 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 1:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 2:07 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 21:00 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-03 5:54 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 0:04 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 10:01 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 18:06 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 19:13 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-11 0:20 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-11 7:18 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 18:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 18:21 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 19:02 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 19:12 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-13 20:03 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-13 20:12 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-13 23:26 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-14 9:49 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 15:47 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 16:25 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-16 17:04 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 18:49 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-16 22:04 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-16 22:48 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-17 16:18 ` Dongli Zhang
2023-10-03 9:12 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 0:07 ` Sean Christopherson
2023-10-04 8:06 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-03 14:29 ` David Woodhouse
2023-10-04 0:10 ` Sean Christopherson
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