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From: Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@intel.com>
To: Nadav Amit <namit@vmware.com>, Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	x86@kernel.org, Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
	Nadav Amit <nadav.amit@gmail.com>,
	Andi Kleen <ak@linux.intel.com>,
	Josh Poimboeuf <jpoimboe@redhat.com>,
	Michal Hocko <mhocko@suse.com>, Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@suse.cz>,
	Sean Christopherson <sean.j.christopherson@intel.com>,
	Andy Lutomirski <luto@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH] x86: use WRITE_ONCE() when setting PTEs
Date: Thu, 6 Sep 2018 10:21:38 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8aef58c7-c27c-5df8-69b3-b188dd5f64e8@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20180902181451.80520-1-namit@vmware.com>

On 09/02/2018 11:14 AM, Nadav Amit wrote:
> When page-table entries are set, the compiler might optimize their
> assignment by using multiple instructions to set the PTE. This might
> turn into a security hazard if the user somehow manages to use the
> interim PTE. L1TF does not make our lives easier, making even an interim
> non-present PTE a security hazard.
> 
> Using WRITE_ONCE() to set PTEs and friends should prevent this potential
> security hazard.

But, our types are already 64-bit, and we're doing a 64-bit pointer
write.  Our WRITE_ONCE() implementation boils down to:

static __always_inline void __write_once_size(...
{
        switch (size) {
	...
        case 8: *(volatile __u64 *)p = *(__u64 *)res; break;


For 64-bit types, which is precisely the same thing.  Right?

So, while I agree that it's nice to document the need for a full 64-bit
"atomicity" of the PTE set, I don't see a practical problem here with
our implementation.

There's probably a massive number of things that would break if we
assumed sane 64-bit writes can be observed piecemeal.

  reply	other threads:[~2018-09-06 17:21 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 8+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2018-09-02 18:14 Nadav Amit
2018-09-06 17:21 ` Dave Hansen [this message]
2018-09-06 19:28   ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-07 14:10   ` Vlastimil Babka
2018-09-06 19:57 ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-06 20:12   ` Nadav Amit
2018-09-06 20:27     ` Peter Zijlstra
2018-09-08 10:34 ` [tip:x86/urgent] x86/mm: Use " tip-bot for Nadav Amit

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