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From: David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM>
To: "'Eric W. Biederman'" <ebiederm@xmission.com>
Cc: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>,
	Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"netdev@vger.kernel.org" <netdev@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Serge E. Hallyn" <serge@hallyn.com>
Subject: RE: [CFT][PATCH] proc: Update /proc/net to point at the accessing threads network namespace
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2022 08:53:39 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8be364fd938a4ac9959b4c01120cac97@AcuMS.aculab.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87fsg4ygxc.fsf@email.froward.int.ebiederm.org>

From: Eric W. Biederman
> Sent: 03 October 2022 18:07
> 
> David Laight <David.Laight@ACULAB.COM> writes:
> 
> > From: Eric W. Biederman
...
> > Part of the problem is that changing the net namespace isn't
> > enough, you also have to remount /sys - which isn't entirely
> > trivial.
> 
> Yes.  That is actually a much more maintainable model.  But it is still
> imperfect.    I was thinking about the proc/net directories when
> I made my comment.  Unlike proc where we have task ids there is nothing
> in /proc that can do anything.
> 
> > It might be possibly to mount a network namespace version
> > of /sys on a different mountpoint - I've not tried very
> > hard to do that.
> 
> It is a bug if that doesn't work.

The difficultly is picking the 'spell'.
I think you need to run mount after switching to the namespace.
But you don't want the unshare() that 'ip netns exec' does.
So I think it needs a silly wrapper program.

> >> > Notwithstanding the apparmor issues, /proc/net could actuall be
> >> > a symlink to (say) /proc/net_namespaces/namespace_name with
> >> > readlink returning the name based on the threads actual namespace.
> >>
> >> There really aren't good names for namespaces at the kernel level.  As
> >> one of their use cases is to make process migration possible between
> >> machines.  So any kernel level name would need to be migrated as well.
> >> So those kernel level names would need a name in another namespace,
> >> or an extra namespace would have to be created for those names.
> >
> > Network namespaces do seem to have names.
> > Although I gave up working out how to change to a named network
> > namespace from within the kernel (especially in a non-GPL module).
> 
> Network namespaces have mount points.  The mount points have names.
> 
> It is just a matter of finding the right filesystem and calling
> sys_rename().

I wanted to lookup a net namespace by name - so I could create
a kernel socket in a namespace specified in configuration data.
Not change the name of a namespace.

I ended up only giving a few options - basically saving the
namespace of code that called into the driver.
(Harder in a non-gpl driver since you can't directly hold/release
the namespace itself - fortunately you can create a socket!)

	David

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2022-10-04  8:53 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 29+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2022-09-29 15:22 [PATCH 3/4] proc: Point /proc/net at /proc/thread-self/net instead of /proc/self/net David Laight
2022-09-29 18:21 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-29 18:50   ` Al Viro
2022-09-29 19:00     ` Al Viro
2022-09-29 19:05       ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-29 19:34         ` Al Viro
2022-09-29 21:13           ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-29 21:21             ` Al Viro
2022-09-29 21:27               ` Al Viro
2022-09-29 21:31                 ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-29 21:15           ` Al Viro
2022-09-29 21:29             ` Linus Torvalds
2022-09-29 22:14               ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-09-29 22:48                 ` [CFT][PATCH] proc: Update /proc/net to point at the accessing threads network namespace Eric W. Biederman
2022-09-29 23:38                   ` Al Viro
2022-09-30  3:19                   ` kernel test robot
2022-09-30  6:07                   ` kernel test robot
2022-09-30  9:30                   ` David Laight
2022-09-30 16:17                     ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-09-30 21:28                       ` David Laight
2022-10-01 23:11                         ` Al Viro
2022-10-03  9:36                           ` David Laight
2022-10-03 14:03                             ` Al Viro
2022-10-03 17:07                         ` Eric W. Biederman
2022-10-03 18:49                           ` Al Viro
2022-10-04  8:53                           ` David Laight [this message]
2022-10-05 13:10                   ` [proc] 5336f1902b: BUG:KASAN:global-out-of-bounds_in_memchr kernel test robot
2022-09-29 19:00     ` [PATCH 3/4] proc: Point /proc/net at /proc/thread-self/net instead of /proc/self/net Linus Torvalds
2022-09-30 14:01 [CFT][PATCH] proc: Update /proc/net to point at the accessing threads network namespace Alexey Dobriyan

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