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From: Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de>
To: Eric Dumazet <edumazet@google.com>
Cc: netdev@vger.kernel.org, davem@davemloft.net, kuba@kernel.org,
	pabeni@redhat.com, horms@kernel.org, corbet@lwn.net,
	ncardwell@google.com, kuniyu@google.com, dsahern@kernel.org,
	idosch@nvidia.com, linux-doc@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	Thorsten Toepper <thorsten.toepper@sap.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC net-next] inet: add ip_retry_random_port sysctl to reduce sequential port retries
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2026 18:29:56 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8d94faf9-2fb6-483d-9767-bd665c4a4b9a@suse.de> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CANn89i+UUWx5OhPnJnDhiCfr53BPTAGedBucgqYwyfqkidf_Cg@mail.gmail.com>

On 2/4/26 5:49 PM, Eric Dumazet wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 3, 2026 at 6:54 PM Fernando Fernandez Mancera
> <fmancera@suse.de> wrote:
>>
>> With the current port selection algorithm, ports after a reserved port
>> or long time used port are used more often than others. This combines
>> with cloud environments blocking connections between the application
>> server and the database server if there was a previous connection with
>> the same source port. This leads to connectivity problems between
>> applications on cloud environments.
>>
>> The situation is that a source tuple is usable again after being closed
>> for a maximum lifetime segment of two minutes while in the firewall it's
>> still noted as existing for 60 minutes or longer. So in case that the
>> port is reused for the same target tuple before the firewall cleans up,
>> the connection will fail due to firewall interference which itself will
>> reset the activity timeout in its own table. We understand the real
>> issue here is that these firewalls cannot cope with standards-compliant
>> port reuse. But this is a workaround for such situations and an
>> improvement on the distribution of ports selected.
>>
>> The proposed solution is instead of incrementing the port number,
>> performing a re-selection of a new random port within the remaining
>> range. This solution is configured via sysctl new option
>> "net.ipv4.ip_retry_random_port".
>>
>> The test run consists of two processes, a client and a server, and loops
>> connect to the server sending some bytes back. The results we got are
>> promising:
>>
>> Executed test: Current algorithm
>> ephemeral port range: 9000-65499
>> simulated selections: 10000000
>> retries during simulation: 14197718
>> longest retry sequence: 5202
>>
>> Executed test: Proposed modified algorithm
>> ephemeral port range: 9000-65499
>> simulated selections: 10000000
>> retries during simulation: 3976671
>> longest retry sequence: 12
>>
>> In addition, on graphs generated we can observe that the distribution of
>> source ports is more even with the proposed patch.
>>
>> Signed-off-by: Fernando Fernandez Mancera <fmancera@suse.de>
>> Tested-by: Thorsten Toepper <thorsten.toepper@sap.com>
>> ---
>>   .../networking/net_cachelines/netns_ipv4_sysctl.rst        | 1 +
>>   include/net/netns/ipv4.h                                   | 1 +
>>   net/ipv4/inet_hashtables.c                                 | 7 ++++++-
>>   net/ipv4/sysctl_net_ipv4.c                                 | 7 +++++++
>>   4 files changed, 15 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-)
>>
>> diff --git a/Documentation/networking/net_cachelines/netns_ipv4_sysctl.rst b/Documentation/networking/net_cachelines/netns_ipv4_sysctl.rst
>> index beaf1880a19b..c4041fdca01e 100644
>> --- a/Documentation/networking/net_cachelines/netns_ipv4_sysctl.rst
>> +++ b/Documentation/networking/net_cachelines/netns_ipv4_sysctl.rst
>> @@ -47,6 +47,7 @@ u8                              sysctl_tcp_ecn
>>   u8                              sysctl_tcp_ecn_fallback
>>   u8                              sysctl_ip_default_ttl                                                                ip4_dst_hoplimit/ip_select_ttl
>>   u8                              sysctl_ip_no_pmtu_disc
>> +u8                              sysctl_ip_retry_random_port
>>   u8                              sysctl_ip_fwd_use_pmtu                       read_mostly                             ip_dst_mtu_maybe_forward/ip_skb_dst_mtu
>>   u8                              sysctl_ip_fwd_update_priority                                                        ip_forward
>>   u8                              sysctl_ip_nonlocal_bind
>> diff --git a/include/net/netns/ipv4.h b/include/net/netns/ipv4.h
>> index 2dbd46fc4734..d04b07e7c935 100644
>> --- a/include/net/netns/ipv4.h
>> +++ b/include/net/netns/ipv4.h
>> @@ -156,6 +156,7 @@ struct netns_ipv4 {
>>
>>          u8 sysctl_ip_default_ttl;
>>          u8 sysctl_ip_no_pmtu_disc;
>> +       u8 sysctl_ip_retry_random_port;
>>          u8 sysctl_ip_fwd_update_priority;
>>          u8 sysctl_ip_nonlocal_bind;
>>          u8 sysctl_ip_autobind_reuse;
>> diff --git a/net/ipv4/inet_hashtables.c b/net/ipv4/inet_hashtables.c
>> index f5826ec4bcaa..f1c79a7d3fd3 100644
>> --- a/net/ipv4/inet_hashtables.c
>> +++ b/net/ipv4/inet_hashtables.c
>> @@ -1088,8 +1088,13 @@ int __inet_hash_connect(struct inet_timewait_death_row *death_row,
>>          for (i = 0; i < remaining; i += step, port += step) {
>>                  if (unlikely(port >= high))
>>                          port -= remaining;
>> -               if (inet_is_local_reserved_port(net, port))
>> +               if (inet_is_local_reserved_port(net, port)) {
>> +                       if (net->ipv4.sysctl_ip_retry_random_port) {
>> +                               port = low + get_random_u32_below(remaining);
>> +                               port = ((port & 1) == step) ? port : (port - 1);
>> +                       }
> 
> What happens when almost  all ephemeral ports are in use, and
> hundreds of ports are reserved ?
> 
> Choosing a random value each time we meet a reserved port is going to
> be quite expensive,
> and we might return an error from this function even if there are many
> available ports.
> 
> Perhaps randomly select @step one time at the beginning of this
> function so that  @step/2 and @remaining/2
> are relatively prime numbers.
> 

That actually makes sense. It would ensure all ports are visited before 
returning an error. Let me test this out.

Thank you Eric,
Fernando.

  reply	other threads:[~2026-02-04 17:30 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 10+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-02-03 17:54 Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-02-03 18:02 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-02-04 16:25 ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-02-04 16:49 ` Eric Dumazet
2026-02-04 17:29   ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera [this message]
2026-02-06 16:27     ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-02-06 17:09       ` Eric Dumazet
2026-02-09 11:56         ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera
2026-02-09 13:53           ` longxie86
2026-02-09 15:25             ` Fernando Fernandez Mancera

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