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From: Joel Fernandes <joelagnelf@nvidia.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>, Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, Andrea Righi <arighi@nvidia.com>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	David Vernet <void@manifault.com>,
	Changwoo Min <changwoo@igalia.com>,
	Luigi De Matteis <ldematteis123@gmail.com>,
	paulmck@kernel.org, boqun.feng@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 3/8] sched/ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2025 22:48:16 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8d9e6300-113e-4a89-8fc3-2ae895c77794@nvidia.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250317170602.GE6888@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

Hello, Peter, Tejun,

On 3/17/2025 6:06 PM, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 06:57:19AM -1000, Tejun Heo wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 17, 2025 at 11:31:01AM +0100, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
>>> On Sat, Mar 15, 2025 at 07:15:27PM -0400, Joel Fernandes wrote:
>>>> If so, that will not handle the case where the system has both
>>>> FAIR and EXT tasks in the mix (EXT has a partial mode where certain tasks can be
>>>> made EXT with certain others left as FAIR) and FAIR runs 100% and starves EXT.
>>>
>>> Well, you did not mention that issue, you only babbled about RT.

You are right, I will add more details about this to the change log.

>>>
>>> I did point out that issue with ext, and TJ said this mixed mode wasn't
>>> really meant to be used or somesuch.
>>
>> It's true that most of the current use cases don't use mixed mode. That
>> said, some folks are interested in it and if we can prevent starvation from
>> fair saturating CPUs in mixed mode with a DL server, that'd be really nice.
>> Would it be possible to toggle the reservations depending on the ext's
>> operation mode?
> 
> Yeah, that should be doable.

Just to clarify, Tejun is suggesting that in mixed mode, we boost EXT
independent of FAIR. And in normal mode, we we boost both FAIR+EXT, because well
- nothing would be running as fair anyway.

But what is the point of doing that, if we have boost EXT independent of FAIR
anyway? We need that code _anyway_ due to mixed mode so it would not simplify
anything.

Or did Tejun mean something else about "toggle the reservations"?

thanks,

 - Joel









  reply	other threads:[~2025-03-17 21:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-03-15  2:21 [PATCH RFC 0/8] Add a deadline " Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 1/8] sched: Add support to pick functions to take rf Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 2/8] sched: Add a server arg to dl_server_update_idle_time() Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 3/8] sched/ext: Add a DL server for sched_ext tasks Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  7:22   ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-15 23:15     ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-17 10:31       ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-17 16:57         ` Tejun Heo
2025-03-17 17:06           ` Peter Zijlstra
2025-03-17 21:48             ` Joel Fernandes [this message]
2025-03-17 22:16               ` Tejun Heo
2025-03-17 22:39                 ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-17 22:48                   ` Tejun Heo
2025-03-18 10:07                     ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-17 21:53         ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15 17:56   ` Andrea Righi
2025-03-15 23:17     ` Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 4/8] sched/debug: Fix updating of ppos on server write ops Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 5/8] sched/debug: Stop and start server based on if it was active Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 6/8] sched/debug: Add support to change sched_ext server params Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 7/8] sched/deadline: Clear defer params Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15  2:21 ` [PATCH RFC 8/8] selftests/sched_ext: Add test for sched_ext dl_server Joel Fernandes
2025-03-15 23:22   ` Joel Fernandes

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