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From: Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>
To: Sebastian Andrzej Siewior <bigeasy@linutronix.de>,
	Waiman Long <llong@redhat.com>
Cc: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	linux-rt-devel@lists.linux.dev, Boqun Feng <boqun.feng@gmail.com>,
	Clark Williams <clrkwllms@kernel.org>,
	Frederic Weisbecker <frederic@kernel.org>,
	Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	John Ogness <john.ogness@linutronix.de>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Will Deacon <will@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 2/3] Documentation: locking: Add local_lock_nested_bh() to locktypes
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 13:38:55 -0400	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <8f36131b-e326-4d0e-96d6-9067b6c439d8@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20250819100046.ymb_o7VA@linutronix.de>

On 8/19/25 6:00 AM, Sebastian Andrzej Siewior wrote:
> On 2025-08-18 14:06:39 [-0400], Waiman Long wrote:
>>> index 80c914f6eae7a..37b6a5670c2fa 100644
>>> --- a/Documentation/locking/locktypes.rst
>>> +++ b/Documentation/locking/locktypes.rst
>>> @@ -204,6 +204,27 @@ per-CPU data structures on a non PREEMPT_RT kernel.
>>>    local_lock is not suitable to protect against preemption or interrupts on a
>>>    PREEMPT_RT kernel due to the PREEMPT_RT specific spinlock_t semantics.
>>> +CPU local scope and bottom-half
>>> +-------------------------------
>>> +
>>> +Per-CPU variables that are accessed only in softirq context should not rely on
>>> +the assumption that this context is implicitly protected due to being
>>> +non-preemptible. In a PREEMPT_RT kernel, softirq context is preemptible, and
>>> +synchronizing every bottom-half-disabled section via implicit context results
>>> +in an implicit per-CPU "big kernel lock."
>>> +
>>> +A local_lock_t together with local_lock_nested_bh() and
>>> +local_unlock_nested_bh() for locking operations help to identify the locking
>>> +scope.
>>> +
>>> +When lockdep is enabled, these functions verify that data structure access
>>> +occurs within softirq context.
>>> +Unlike local_lock(), local_unlock_nested_bh() does not disable preemption and
>>> +does not add overhead when used without lockdep.
>> Should it be local_lock_nested_bh()? It doesn't make sense to compare
>> local_unlock_nested_bh() against local_lock(). In a PREEMPT_RT kernel,
>> local_lock() disables migration but not preemption.
> Yes, it should have been the lock and not the unlock part. I mention
> just preemption part here because it focuses on the !RT part compared to
> local_lock() and that it adds no overhead.
> The PREEMPT_RT part below mentions that it behaves as a real lock so
> that should be enough (not to mention the migration part (technically
> migration must be already disabled so we could omit disabling migration
> here but it is just a counter increment/ decrement at this point so we
> don't win much by doing so)).
>
> I made the following:
>
> @@ -219,11 +219,11 @@ scope.
>   
>   When lockdep is enabled, these functions verify that data structure access
>   occurs within softirq context.
> -Unlike local_lock(), local_unlock_nested_bh() does not disable preemption and
> +Unlike local_lock(), local_lock_nested_bh() does not disable preemption and
>   does not add overhead when used without lockdep.
>   
>   On a PREEMPT_RT kernel, local_lock_t behaves as a real lock and
> -local_unlock_nested_bh() serializes access to the data structure, which allows
> +local_lock_nested_bh() serializes access to the data structure, which allows
>   removal of serialization via local_bh_disable().
>   
>   raw_spinlock_t and spinlock_t
>
> Good?

LGTM, thanks!

Cheers,
Longman


  reply	other threads:[~2025-08-19 17:39 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-15  9:38 [PATCH v2 0/3] Documentation: Add real-time bits Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-15  9:38 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] Documentation: seqlock: Add a SPDX license identifier Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-15  9:38 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] Documentation: locking: Add local_lock_nested_bh() to locktypes Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-18 18:06   ` Waiman Long
2025-08-19 10:00     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-19 17:38       ` Waiman Long [this message]
2025-08-15  9:38 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] Documentation: Add real-time to core-api Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-18 16:16   ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-19  8:03     ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-19 13:20       ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-19 13:28         ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior
2025-08-21 18:55           ` Jonathan Corbet
2025-08-22  7:08             ` Sebastian Andrzej Siewior

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