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From: Akira Yokosawa <akiyks@gmail.com>
To: Kunwu Chan <kunwu.chan@gmail.com>
Cc: linux-doc@vger.kernel.org, lkmm@lists.linux.dev,
	linux-arch@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
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	corbet@lwn.net, luc.maranget@inria.fr, j.alglave@ucl.ac.uk,
	dhowells@redhat.com, npiggin@gmail.com, boqun@kernel.org,
	peterz@infradead.org, will@kernel.org, parri.andrea@gmail.com,
	stern@rowland.harvard.edu
Subject: Re: [PATCH v3 1/2] Documentation/litmus-tests: Add SRCU fastpath anchor-before-scan test
Date: Tue, 15 Sep 2026 17:33:59 +0900	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9106d07e-a8e5-4379-bec6-eb4ee9f0df5c@gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260914143943.1503066-2-kunwu.chan@gmail.com>

Hi,

On 9/14/26 23:39, Kunwu Chan wrote:
> synchronize_srcu_atomic() may end its grace period immediately when
> its scan of the per-CPU lock counters finds no readers.  Correctness
> requires the grace-period anchor written by srcu_gp_start() to precede
> the smp_mb() ordering the lock scan.  This ordering ensures that any
> reader whose lock increment is missed by the scan cannot have
> incremented its lock counter before the grace-period anchor, and
> therefore cannot be a pre-existing reader of this grace period.
> 
> This litmus test models the key ordering between the grace-period
> anchor and the lock counter scan, where "seq" models the
> grace-period anchor in ->srcu_gp_seq and "ctr" models the per-CPU
> ->srcu_ctrs[].srcu_locks counter.  P0 writes the anchor before the
> smp_mb() and the lock scan.  P1 models the reader-side counter
> increment and its smp_mb() from __srcu_read_lock(), which orders
> the increment against subsequent critical-section access.  P2 models
> an observer that sees the reader's increment before seeing the
> anchor.
> 
> The outcome is forbidden by LKMM, and herd7 reports "Never".  See
> SRCU-fastpath-scan-before-anchor.litmus for the reversed ordering,
> which permits this outcome.
> 
> Tested with herd7 7.58 using linux-kernel.cfg.
> 
> Signed-off-by: Kunwu Chan <kunwu.chan@gmail.com>
> ---
>  .../SRCU-fastpath-anchor-before-scan.litmus   | 58 +++++++++++++++++++
>  1 file changed, 58 insertions(+)
>  create mode 100644 Documentation/litmus-tests/srcu/SRCU-fastpath-anchor-before-scan.litmus
> 
> diff --git a/Documentation/litmus-tests/srcu/SRCU-fastpath-anchor-before-scan.litmus b/Documentation/litmus-tests/srcu/SRCU-fastpath-anchor-before-scan.litmus
> new file mode 100644
> index 000000000000..e0492a4d8e07
> --- /dev/null
> +++ b/Documentation/litmus-tests/srcu/SRCU-fastpath-anchor-before-scan.litmus
> @@ -0,0 +1,58 @@
> +C SRCU-fastpath-anchor-before-scan
> +
> +(*
> + * Result: Never
> + *
> + * The synchronize_srcu_atomic() fastpath may end its grace period
> + * immediately when its scan of the per-CPU lock counters finds no
> + * readers.  Correctness requires the grace-period anchor written by
> + * srcu_gp_start() to precede the smp_mb() ordering the lock scan.
> + * This ordering ensures that any reader whose lock increment is missed
> + * by the scan cannot have incremented its lock counter before the
> + * grace-period anchor, and therefore cannot be a pre-existing reader
> + * of this grace period.
> + *
> + * This litmus test models the key ordering between the grace-period
> + * anchor and the lock counter scan, where "seq" models the
> + * grace-period anchor in ->srcu_gp_seq and "ctr" models the per-CPU
> + * ->srcu_ctrs[].srcu_locks counter.  P0 writes the anchor before the
> + * smp_mb() and the lock scan.  P1 models the reader-side counter
> + * increment and its smp_mb() from __srcu_read_lock(), which orders the
> + * increment against subsequent critical-section access.  P2 models an
> + * observer that sees the reader's increment before seeing the anchor.
> + *
> + * The outcome is forbidden by LKMM, and herd7 reports "Never".  See
> + * SRCU-fastpath-scan-before-anchor.litmus for the reversed ordering,
> + * which permits this outcome.
> + *)
> +
> +{}
> +
> +P0(int *seq, int *ctr)
> +{
> +	int r2;
> +
> +	WRITE_ONCE(*seq, 1);
> +	smp_mb();
> +	r2 = READ_ONCE(*ctr);
> +}
> +
> +P1(int *ctr, int *x)
> +{
> +	WRITE_ONCE(*ctr, 1);
> +	smp_mb();
> +	WRITE_ONCE(*x, 1);
> +}
> +
> +P2(int *seq, int *ctr)
> +{
> +	int r3;
> +	int r4;
> +
> +	r3 = READ_ONCE(*ctr);
> +	smp_mb();
> +	r4 = READ_ONCE(*seq);
> +}
> +
> +filter (0:r2 = 0)
> +exists (2:r3 = 1 /\ 2:r4 = 0)

Another knee-jerk reaction with exaggeration  :-)

Why does P1() have an access to an un-shared variable x ?
smp_mb() in P1() can't pair with any of other thread's smp_mb().
This doesn't make sense!

Let me rephrase.

Litmus tests is supposed to be minimal.
Every memory access and memory barrier is expected to
have some effect in the outcome of the test. 

In this case,

P1(int *ctr)
{
	WRITE_ONCE(*ctr, 1);
}

should be good enough, I guess.

(That is, IF I understand what you are testing here...)

Regards, Akira


  reply	other threads:[~2026-09-15  8:34 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 5+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-09-14 14:39 [PATCH v3 0/2] Documentation/litmus-tests: Add SRCU fastpath litmus tests Kunwu Chan
2026-09-14 14:39 ` [PATCH v3 1/2] Documentation/litmus-tests: Add SRCU fastpath anchor-before-scan test Kunwu Chan
2026-09-15  8:33   ` Akira Yokosawa [this message]
2026-09-16  8:46     ` KunWu Chan
2026-09-14 14:39 ` [PATCH v3 2/2] Documentation/litmus-tests: Add SRCU fastpath scan-before-anchor test Kunwu Chan

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