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From: Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com>
To: Joshua Hahn <joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>
Cc: <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>, <linux-mm@kvack.org>,
	<Jonathan.Cameron@huawei.com>, <dave.hansen@intel.com>,
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	<balbirs@nvidia.com>, <alok.rathore@samsung.com>,
	<shivankg@amd.com>, <donettom@linux.ibm.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v8 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure
Date: Thu, 17 Sep 2026 10:53:19 +0530	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <92c26cce-0608-4c0d-bb13-fe87afc225ba@amd.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20260916205211.267720-1-joshua.hahnjy@gmail.com>

On 17-Sep-26 2:22 AM, Joshua Hahn wrote:
> On Wed, 16 Sep 2026 08:38:17 +0530 Bharata B Rao <bharata@amd.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 12-Sep-26 2:38 AM, Joshua Hahn wrote:
>>> Hi Bharata,
>>>
>>> We've been testing pghot in a Meta kernel with worklaods to try and see
>>> what the performance characteristics look like. I wanted to report
>>> some of the findings that we've found in our testing. Note that these
>>> results are from a modified kernel that has my tiered memcg series [1]
>>> backported, as well as Gregory's numa balancing scanning fixes [2]
>>> as well. 
>>
>> Hi Joshua,
>>
>> Thanks for testing pghot with your workload!
>>
>>>
>>> - Without tuning and using the default tunables that pghot comes with,
>>>   we've found around a slight performance regression against raw NUMAB2.
>>>   This was being run on a host with 750G DRAM and 250G CXL.
>>
>> pghot promotes on 2nd access by default since pghot_freq_threshold is 2
>> by default. This will result in slower promotions compared to NUMAB2
>> which promotes on 1st access. Could you please try with setting
>> pghot_freq_threshold to 1? I think I should make the default as 1 going
>> forward.
> 
> Gotcha. Out of curiosity, I'm wondering why you decided to make this a
> tunable. Specifically, I'm wondering if there are any workloads that
> benefit from making it require a second access. To me keeping it at
> first access makes a lot of sense. Obviously you could say that
> scanning workloads would want to use 2 accesses, but there should be
> other ways to prevent that from happening rather than counting the
> number of accesses before promotion. Just my 2c.

The basic idea is to consider two factors for determining the page hotness: the
frequency of access and the recency of access. Hence I have kept both of them as
configurable so that users can tune them for their workloads.

However since the immediate comparision of pghot-hintfaults source is with
existing NUMAB2, it makes sense to have the default freq as 1 to get closer to
apples-to-apples comparision by default.

> 
>> In any case, will it be possible to provide more information on what your
>> workloads are, and the exact performance metrics? Any representative workload
>> that can be substituted to reproduce this behaviour can also help.
>>
>> And when you say slight perf regression, how much is it exactly?
> 
> I'm seeing that average latency is about 20% higher and p99 latency
> is about 5% higher.

I hope this gap should get closed with pghot_freq_threshold=1.

> 
>>> Finally, we've seen some issues with pghot causing userspace crashes,
>>> which leads us to believe that there might be some bugs that manifest
>>> in userspace as well (we have not been able to find out where in pghot
>>> these bugs are introduced).
>>
>> That's something I have never seen till now with any of the benchmarks that I
>> have run. Any kernel messages attributing the failure to pghot? Anything
>> attributable to access reporting or  kmigrated threads?
> 
> We're doing A/B testing with NUMAB2 only and pghot, and we are seeing
> the userspace crashes in the pghot host only. It seems like there
> are some segfaults trying to reference ip 000... and a warning that
> references "Too many tries to read user space".
> 
> I don't have anything in particular that would direct us right to pghot,
> but this crash has repeatedly come up, only on pghot (across reboots)
> and not on our NUMAB2 worklods. 

When you find out more about this failure, please let me know.

Regards,
Bharata.

      reply	other threads:[~2026-09-17  5:23 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-07-28  5:43 Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 1/8] mm: migrate: Allow misplaced migration without VMA Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 2/8] mm: migrate: Add promote_misplaced_memcg_folios() Bharata B Rao
2026-07-30  6:34   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 3/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion - pghot Bharata B Rao
2026-07-31 16:14   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 4/8] mm: pghot: Precision mode for pghot Bharata B Rao
2026-07-31 16:27   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 5/8] mm: sched: move NUMA balancing tiering promotion to pghot Bharata B Rao
2026-08-03  8:23   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 6/8] x86/ibs: Move IBS caps definitions into its own header Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 7/8] x86/mm/ibs: In-kernel driver for AMD IBS Memory Profiler Bharata B Rao
2026-08-04  5:00   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:43 ` [PATCH v8 8/8] x86/mm/ibs: Add runtime controls for IBS memprofiler Bharata B Rao
2026-08-04  5:20   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:55 ` [PATCH v8 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure - microbenchmark numbers Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  5:59 ` [PATCH v8 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure - NAS BT Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  6:02 ` [PATCH v8 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure - Graph500 Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  6:05 ` [PATCH v8 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure - redis-memtier Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28  6:17 ` [PATCH v8 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure - llama-bench Bharata B Rao
2026-07-28 18:14 ` [PATCH v8 0/8] mm: Hot page tracking and promotion infrastructure Andrew Morton
2026-07-28 18:24   ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-07-28 18:57     ` Gregory Price
2026-07-28 19:20       ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-07-28 19:59         ` Gregory Price
2026-07-29 11:45         ` Bharata B Rao
2026-08-10  3:38     ` Yongting Lin
2026-08-10  4:16       ` Matthew Wilcox
2026-08-10  5:35         ` Bharata B Rao
2026-08-11  7:15         ` Yongting Lin
2026-08-13  2:21         ` Gregory Price
2026-08-10 14:37       ` SJ Park
2026-08-11  6:37         ` Yongting Lin
2026-07-29  9:35   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-07-29 13:54     ` SJ Park
2026-08-04  1:23       ` SJ Park
2026-08-06  5:49   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-08-06 13:44     ` SJ Park
2026-08-10  4:46       ` Bharata B Rao
2026-08-10 14:25         ` SJ Park
2026-09-11 21:08 ` Joshua Hahn
2026-09-16  3:08   ` Bharata B Rao
2026-09-16 20:52     ` Joshua Hahn
2026-09-17  5:23       ` Bharata B Rao [this message]

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