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From: Daniel Bristot de Oliveira <bristot@redhat.com>
To: Marco Elver <elver@google.com>, Dmitry Vyukov <dvyukov@google.com>
Cc: "Paul E. McKenney" <paulmck@kernel.org>,
	syzkaller <syzkaller@googlegroups.com>,
	kasan-dev <kasan-dev@googlegroups.com>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: Functional Coverage via RV? (was: "Learning-based Controlled Concurrency Testing")
Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2021 11:10:17 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <93e7048a-209f-82f2-8d28-ff8347595695@redhat.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <YNG/8EcdPBfH/Taf@elver.google.com>

On 6/22/21 12:48 PM, Marco Elver wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 09:25PM +0200, Daniel Bristot de Oliveira wrote:
>> On 6/21/21 12:30 PM, Marco Elver wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 10:23AM +0200, Daniel Bristot de Oliveira wrote:
>>> [...]
>>>>> Yes, unlike code/structural coverage (which is what we have today via
>>>>> KCOV) functional coverage checks if some interesting states were reached
>>>>> (e.g. was buffer full/empty, did we observe transition a->b etc.).
>>>>
>>>> So you want to observe a given a->b transition, not that B was visited?
>>>
>>> An a->b transition would imply that a and b were visited.
>>
>> HA! let's try again with a less abstract example...
> 
> Terminology misunderstanding.
> 
> I mean "state transition". Writing "a->b transition" led me to infer 'a'
> and 'b' are states, but from below I infer that you meant an "event
> trace" (viz. event sequence).  So it seems I was wrong.
> 
> Let me be clearer: transition A -[a]-> B implies states A and B were
> visited.

right

Hence, knowing that event 'a' occurred is sufficient, and
> actually provides a little more information than just "A and B were
> visited".

iff [a] happens only from A to B...

> 
>>
>>   |   +------------ on --+----------------+
>>   v   ^                  +--------v       v
>> +========+               |        +===========+>--- suspend ---->+===========+
>> |  OFF   |               +- on --<|     ON    |                  | SUSPENDED |
>> +========+ <------ shutdown -----<+===========+<----- on -------<+===========+
>>     ^                                    v                             v
>>     +--------------- off ----------------+-----------------------------+
>>
>> Do you care about:
>>
>> 1) states [OFF|ON|SUSPENDED] being visited a # of times; or
>> 2) the occurrence of the [on|suspend|off] events a # of times; or
>> 3) the language generated by the "state machine"; like:
>>
>>    the occurrence of *"on -> suspend -> on -> off"*
>>
>>          which is != of
>>
>>    the occurrence of *"on -> on -> suspend -> off"*
>>
>>          although the same events and states occurred the same # of times
>> ?
> 
> They are all interesting, but unrealistic for a fuzzer to keep track of.
> We can't realistically keep track of all possible event traces. Nor that
> some state or event was visited # of times.

We can track this easily via RV, and doing that is already on my todo list. But
now I got that we do not need all these information for the functional coverage.

> What I did mean is as described above: the simple occurrence of an
> event, as it implies some previous and next state were visited.
> 
> The fuzzer then builds up knowledge of which inputs cause some events to
> occur. Because it knows it has inputs for such events, it will then try
> to further combine these inputs hoping to reach new coverage. This leads
> to various distinct event traces using the events it has already
> observed. All of this is somewhat random of course, because fuzzers are
> not meant to be model checkers.
> 
> If someone wants something more complex as you describe, it'd have to
> explicitly become part of the model (if possible?). The problem of
> coverage explosion applies, and we may not recommend such usage anyway.

I did not mean to make GCOV/the fuzzer to keep track of these information. I was
trying to understand what are the best way to provide the information that you
all need.

>> RV can give you all... but the way to inform this might be different.
>>
>>>> I still need to understand what you are aiming to verify, and what is the
>>>> approach that you would like to use to express the specifications of the systems...
>>>>
>>>> Can you give me a simple example?
>>>
>>> The older discussion started around a discussion how to get the fuzzer
>>> into more interesting states in complex concurrent algorithms. But
>>> otherwise I have no idea ... we were just brainstorming and got to the
>>> point where it looked like "functional coverage" would improve automated
>>> test generation in general. And then I found RV which pretty much can
>>> specify "functional coverage" and almost gets that information to KCOV
>>> "for free".
>>
>> I think we will end up having an almost for free solution, but worth the price.
>>
>>>> so, you want to have a different function for every transition so KCOV can
>>>> observe that?
>>>
>>> Not a different function, just distinct "basic blocks". KCOV uses
>>> compiler instrumentation, and a sequence of non-branching instructions
>>> denote one point of coverage; at the next branch (conditional or otherwise)
>>> it then records which branch was taken and therefore we know which code
>>> paths were covered.
>>
>> ah, got it. But can't KCOV be extended with another source of information?
>  
> Not without changing KCOV. And I think we're weary of something like
> that due to the potential for coverage explosion. -fsanitize-coverage
> has various options to capture different types of coverage actually, not
> purely basic block based coverage. (KCOV already supports
> KCOV_ENABLE_COMPARISONS, perhaps that could help somehow. It captures
> arguments of comparisons.)
> 
>>>>>
>>>>> From what I can tell this doesn't quite happen today, because
>>>>> automaton::function is a lookup table as an array.
>>>>
>>>> It is a the transition function of the formal automaton definition. Check this:
>>>>
>>>> https://bristot.me/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/JSA_preprint.pdf
>>>>
>>>> page 9.
>>>>
>>>> Could this just
>>>>> become a generated function with a switch statement? Because then I
>>>>> think we'd pretty much have all the ingredients we need.
>>>>
>>>> a switch statement that would.... call a different function for each transition?
>>>
>>> No, just a switch statement that returns the same thing as it does
>>> today. But KCOV wouldn't see different different coverage with the
>>> current version because it's all in one basic block because it looks up
>>> the next state given the current state out of the array. If it was a
>>> switch statement doing the same thing, the compiler will turn the thing
>>> into conditional branches and KCOV then knows which code path
>>> (effectively the transition) was covered.
>  
> Per Dmitry's comment, yes we need to be careful that the compiler
> doesn't collapse the switch statement somehow. But this should be
> achievable with a bunch or 'barrier()' after every 'case ...:'.

Changing the "function" will add some overhead for the runtime monitor use-case.
For example, for the safety-critical systems that will run with a monitor
enabled to detect a failure and react to it.

But! I can extend the idea of the reactor to receive the successful state
transitions or create the "observer" abstraction, to which we can attach a
generic that will make the switch statements. This function can be
auto-generated by dot2k as well...

This reactor/observer can be enabed/disabled so... we can add as much annotation
and barriers as we want.

Thoughts?

-- Daniel


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2021-06-17 11:20               ` Marco Elver
2021-06-17 11:38                 ` Dmitry Vyukov
2021-06-18  7:58                 ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2021-06-18 11:26                   ` Marco Elver
2021-06-19 11:08                     ` Dmitry Vyukov
2021-06-21  8:39                       ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2021-06-22  6:33                         ` Dmitry Vyukov
2021-06-21  8:23                     ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2021-06-21 10:30                       ` Marco Elver
2021-06-21 19:25                         ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira
2021-06-22 10:48                           ` Marco Elver
2021-06-23  9:10                             ` Daniel Bristot de Oliveira [this message]
2021-06-24  8:09                               ` Marco Elver
2021-06-22  5:17                         ` Dmitry Vyukov

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