From: "David Hildenbrand (Arm)" <david@kernel.org>
To: Suren Baghdasaryan <surenb@google.com>, Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, x86@kernel.org, linux-mm@kvack.org,
Thomas Gleixner <tglx@kernel.org>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
Dmitry Ilvokhin <d@ilvokhin.com>, Borislav Petkov <bp@alien8.de>,
Dave Hansen <dave.hansen@linux.intel.com>,
Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
Lorenzo Stoakes <ljs@kernel.org>,
"Liam R. Howlett" <liam@infradead.org>,
Vlastimil Babka <vbabka@kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH 3/3] mm: read remote memory without the mmap lock where possible
Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2026 16:33:31 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <946a09a5-0eea-4f76-946d-19c193242640@kernel.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <CAJuCfpHa_1G+krJJDOS6z8QakngaV9jpns9Psu0zUJ=wb6rJQA@mail.gmail.com>
On 6/19/26 16:03, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
> On Fri, Jun 19, 2026 at 6:47 AM Rik van Riel <riel@surriel.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 2026-06-16 at 23:19 -0700, Suren Baghdasaryan wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't think we should be using per-VMA locks if the read spans
>>> multiple VMAs. Doing that would risk a possibility of reading
>>> inconsistent data since we are locking one VMA at a time. While we
>>> load and read VMA, its neighboring VMA can be unmapped and another
>>> one
>>> can be mapped in its place.
>>
>> How is that different from userspace overwriting
>> data while we are reading it, and us reading half
>> new, and half old contents?
>>
>> We already have nothing synchronizing the contents
>> today.
>>
>> All our locking does is protect the metadata we
>> use to find the memory.
>
> Current locking ensures that when reading across VMAs, the structure
> of the VMA tree stays consistent during that read. I think that
> *structural consistency* of the area we are reading is important to
> preserve.
I tend to agree: if more than one VMA is involved, it's best to fallback to the
mmap lock for now.
--
Cheers,
David
next prev parent reply other threads:[~2026-06-19 14:33 UTC|newest]
Thread overview: 26+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2026-06-16 19:02 [PATCH 0/3] mm: __access_remote_vm with per-VMA lock Rik van Riel
2026-06-16 19:02 ` [PATCH 1/3] x86/mm: use READ_ONCE/WRITE_ONCE for mm->context.untag_mask Rik van Riel
2026-06-18 16:40 ` Usama Arif
2026-06-16 19:02 ` [PATCH 2/3] mm/pagewalk: let folio_walk_start() run under the per-VMA lock Rik van Riel
2026-06-19 12:34 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-16 19:03 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: read remote memory without the mmap lock where possible Rik van Riel
2026-06-17 6:19 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-19 12:24 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-19 13:46 ` Rik van Riel
2026-06-19 14:03 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-19 14:33 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm) [this message]
2026-06-18 17:01 ` Usama Arif
2026-06-18 17:07 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-18 17:22 ` Usama Arif
2026-06-19 12:20 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-17 1:10 ` [PATCH 0/3] mm: __access_remote_vm with per-VMA lock Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-17 9:42 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-17 13:33 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-18 20:37 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-19 12:43 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
2026-06-19 13:04 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-19 14:19 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-19 14:27 ` David Hildenbrand (Arm)
2026-06-19 15:07 ` Suren Baghdasaryan
2026-06-25 1:50 [PATCH v2 " Rik van Riel
2026-06-25 1:50 ` [PATCH 3/3] mm: read remote memory without the mmap lock where possible Rik van Riel
2026-06-25 7:39 ` Lorenzo Stoakes
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