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From: Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com>
To: "Michal Koutný" <mkoutny@suse.com>
Cc: Tejun Heo <tj@kernel.org>, Johannes Weiner <hannes@cmpxchg.org>,
	Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>, Ingo Molnar <mingo@redhat.com>,
	Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>,
	Juri Lelli <juri.lelli@redhat.com>,
	Vincent Guittot <vincent.guittot@linaro.org>,
	Dietmar Eggemann <dietmar.eggemann@arm.com>,
	Steven Rostedt <rostedt@goodmis.org>,
	Ben Segall <bsegall@google.com>, Mel Gorman <mgorman@suse.de>,
	Valentin Schneider <vschneid@redhat.com>,
	Thomas Gleixner <tglx@linutronix.de>,
	Yury Norov <yury.norov@gmail.com>,
	Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>,
	Bitao Hu <yaoma@linux.alibaba.com>,
	Chen Ridong <chenridong@huawei.com>,
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	"open list:DOCUMENTATION" <linux-doc@vger.kernel.org>,
	open list <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 3/3] cgroup/rstat: Add run_delay accounting for cgroups
Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2025 12:48:09 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9515c474-366d-4692-91a7-a4c1a5fc18db@bytedance.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <3wqaz6jb74i2cdtvkv4isvhapiiqukyicuol76s66xwixlaz3c@qr6bva3wbxkx>

Hi Michal,

On 1/27/25 10:10 PM, Michal Koutný Wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 25, 2025 at 01:25:12PM +0800, Abel Wu <wuyun.abel@bytedance.com> wrote:
>> The per-task and per-cpu accounting have already been tracked by
>> t->sched_info.run_delay and rq->rq_sched_info.run_delay respectively.
>> Extends this to also include cgroups.
>>
>> The PSI indicator, "some" of cpu.pressure, loses the insight into how
>> severely that cgroup is stalled. Say 100 tasks or just 1 task that gets
>> stalled at a certain point will show no difference in "some" pressure.
>> IOW "some" is a flat value that not weighted by the severity (e.g. # of
>> tasks).
> 
> IIUC below are three examples of when "some" tasks are waiting for CPU:
> 
> a)
>    t1 |----|
>    t2 |xx--|
> 
> b)
>    t1 |----|
>    t2 |x---|
>    t3 |-x--|
> 
> c)
>    t1 |----|
>    t2 |xx--|
>    t3 |xx--|
> 
> (- means runnable on CPU, x means runnable waiting on RQ)
> 
> Which pair from a), b), c) is indistinguishable via PSI? (Or can you
> please add your illustrative example?)

PSI tracks stall times for each cpu, and

	tSOME[cpu] = time(nr_delayed_tasks[cpu] != 0)

which turns nr_delayed_tasks[cpu] into boolean value, hence loses
insight into how severely this task group is stalled on this cpu.

Thanks,
	Abel


  reply	other threads:[~2025-01-29  4:48 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-01-25  5:25 [PATCH v2 0/3] Fix and cleanup and extend cpu.stat Abel Wu
2025-01-25  5:25 ` [PATCH v2 1/3] cgroup/rstat: Fix forceidle time in cpu.stat Abel Wu
2025-01-25  5:25 ` [PATCH v2 2/3] cgroup/rstat: Cleanup cpu.stat once for all Abel Wu
2025-01-27 20:17   ` Tejun Heo
2025-01-29  4:47     ` Abel Wu
2025-01-25  5:25 ` [PATCH v2 3/3] cgroup/rstat: Add run_delay accounting for cgroups Abel Wu
2025-01-27 14:10   ` Michal Koutný
2025-01-29  4:48     ` Abel Wu [this message]
2025-02-10 15:38       ` Michal Koutný
2025-02-10 16:20         ` Tejun Heo
2025-02-10 18:25           ` Johannes Weiner
2025-02-12 15:17             ` Abel Wu
2025-02-21 15:36             ` Michal Koutný
2025-02-12 15:14           ` Abel Wu
2025-02-12 15:12         ` Abel Wu
2025-02-03  8:11 ` [PATCH v2 0/3] Fix and cleanup and extend cpu.stat Abel Wu
2025-02-04 20:46   ` Tejun Heo
2025-02-05  2:42     ` Abel Wu
2025-02-10  8:51     ` Abel Wu
2025-02-19  2:34 ` Abel Wu

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