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From: Adrian Hunter <adrian.hunter@intel.com>
To: "Edgecombe, Rick P" <rick.p.edgecombe@intel.com>,
	"seanjc@google.com" <seanjc@google.com>
Cc: "Gao, Chao" <chao.gao@intel.com>,
	"Huang, Kai" <kai.huang@intel.com>,
	"binbin.wu@linux.intel.com" <binbin.wu@linux.intel.com>,
	"Chatre, Reinette" <reinette.chatre@intel.com>,
	"Li, Xiaoyao" <xiaoyao.li@intel.com>,
	"kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com"
	<kirill.shutemov@linux.intel.com>,
	"tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com" <tony.lindgren@linux.intel.com>,
	"kvm@vger.kernel.org" <kvm@vger.kernel.org>,
	"pbonzini@redhat.com" <pbonzini@redhat.com>,
	"Yamahata, Isaku" <isaku.yamahata@intel.com>,
	"linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org" <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	"Zhao, Yan Y" <yan.y.zhao@intel.com>,
	"Weiny, Ira" <ira.weiny@intel.com>,
	"Brown, Len" <len.brown@intel.com>
Subject: Re: [PATCH RFC 1/2] KVM: TDX: Disable general support for MWAIT in guest
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2025 10:38:12 +0300	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <968d2750-cbd6-47cb-b2fc-d0894662dafc@intel.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <136ab62e9f403ad50a7c2cb4f9196153a0a2ef7c.camel@intel.com>

On 18/08/2025 21:49, Edgecombe, Rick P wrote:
> Attn: Binbin, Xiaoyao
> 
> On Mon, 2025-08-18 at 07:05 -0700, Sean Christopherson wrote:
>> NAK.
>>
>> Fix the guest, or wherever else in the pile there are issues.  KVM is NOT carrying
>> hack-a-fixes to workaround buggy software/firmware.  Been there, done that.
> 
> Yes, I would have thought we should have at least had a TDX module change option
> for this.

That would not help with existing TDX Modules, and would possibly require
a guest opt-in, which would not help with existing guests.  Hence, to start
with disabling the feature first, and look for another solution second.

In the MWAIT case, Sean has rejected supporting MSR_PKG_CST_CONFIG_CONTROL
even for VMX, because it is an optional MSR, so altering intel_idle is
being proposed.

> 
> But side topic. We have an existing arch TODO around creating some guidelines
> around how CPUID bit configuration should evolve.
> 
> A new directly configurable CPUID bit that affects host state is an obvious no-
> no. But how about a directly configurable bit that can't hurt the host, but
> requires host changes to virtualize in an x86 arch compliant way? (not quite
> like this MWAIT case)

It is still "new stuff that breaks old stuff" which is generally
"just don't do that".


  parent reply	other threads:[~2025-08-19  7:38 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2025-08-16 14:44 [PATCH RFC 0/2] KVM: TDX: " Adrian Hunter
2025-08-16 14:44 ` [PATCH RFC 1/2] KVM: TDX: Disable general support for " Adrian Hunter
2025-08-18 14:05   ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-18 15:07     ` Adrian Hunter
2025-08-18 18:49     ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-19  5:40       ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-19 15:59         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-28 10:11           ` Binbin Wu
2025-08-19  7:38       ` Adrian Hunter [this message]
2025-08-19 15:07         ` Edgecombe, Rick P
2025-08-19 23:35           ` Sean Christopherson
2025-08-20  1:31             ` Xiaoyao Li
2025-08-16 14:44 ` [PATCH RFC 2/2] KVM: TDX: Add flag to support MWAIT instruction only Adrian Hunter

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