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From: Li Nan <linan666@huaweicloud.com>
To: Kenta Akagi <k@mgml.me>,
	linan666@huaweicloud.com, xni@redhat.com,
	Yu Kuai <yukuai@fnnas.com>
Cc: linux-raid@vger.kernel.org, linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org,
	song@kernel.org, shli@fb.com, mtkaczyk@kernel.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v6 1/2] md: Don't set MD_BROKEN for RAID1 and RAID10 when using FailFast
Date: Wed, 7 Jan 2026 10:09:28 +0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <99d2ccd8-cd19-fd6f-50c5-a4eb9020f301@huaweicloud.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <0106019b9349bf39-5460c782-3d63-43cb-a56e-e34760ce51cd-000000@ap-northeast-1.amazonses.com>



在 2026/1/6 20:30, Kenta Akagi 写道:
> Hi,
> Thank you for reviewing.
> 
> On 2026/01/06 11:57, Li Nan wrote:
>>
>>
>> 在 2026/1/5 22:40, Kenta Akagi 写道:
>>> After commit 9631abdbf406 ("md: Set MD_BROKEN for RAID1 and RAID10"),
>>> if the error handler is called on the last rdev in RAID1 or RAID10,
>>> the MD_BROKEN flag will be set on that mddev.
>>> When MD_BROKEN is set, write bios to the md will result in an I/O error.
>>>
>>> This causes a problem when using FailFast.
>>> The current implementation of FailFast expects the array to continue
>>> functioning without issues even after calling md_error for the last
>>> rdev.  Furthermore, due to the nature of its functionality, FailFast may
>>> call md_error on all rdevs of the md. Even if retrying I/O on an rdev
>>> would succeed, it first calls md_error before retrying.
>>>
>>> To fix this issue, this commit ensures that for RAID1 and RAID10, if the
>>> last In_sync rdev has the FailFast flag set and the mddev's fail_last_dev
>>> is off, the MD_BROKEN flag will not be set on that mddev.
>>>
>>> This change impacts userspace. After this commit, If the rdev has the
>>> FailFast flag, the mddev never broken even if the failing bio is not
>>> FailFast. However, it's unlikely that any setup using FailFast expects
>>> the array to halt when md_error is called on the last rdev.
>>>
>>
>> In the current RAID design, when an IO error occurs, RAID ensures faulty
>> data is not read via the following actions:
>> 1. Mark the badblocks (no FailFast flag); if this fails,
>> 2. Mark the disk as Faulty.
>>
>> If neither action is taken, and BROKEN is not set to prevent continued RAID
>> use, errors on the last remaining disk will be ignored. Subsequent reads
>> may return incorrect data. This seems like a more serious issue in my opinion.
> 
> I agree that data inconsistency can certainly occur in this scenario.
> 
> However, a RAID1 with only one remaining rdev can considered the same as a plain
> disk. From that perspective, I do not believe it is the mandatory responsibility
> of md raid to block subsequent writes nor prevent data inconsistency in this situation.
> 
> The commit 9631abdbf406 ("md: Set MD_BROKEN for RAID1 and RAID10") that introduced
> BROKEN for RAID1/10 also does not seem to have done so for that responsibility.
> 
>>
>> In scenarios with a large number of transient IO errors, is FailFast not a
>> suitable configuration? As you mentioned: "retrying I/O on an rdev would
> 
> It seems be right about that. Using FailFast with unstable underlayer is not good.
> However, as md raid, which is issuer of FailFast bios,
> I believe it is incorrect to shutdown the array due to the failure of a FailFast bio.
> 
> Thanks,
> Akagi
> 

I get your point, Kuai, what's your take on this?

-- 
Thanks,
Nan


  reply	other threads:[~2026-01-07  2:09 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 18+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-01-05 14:40 [PATCH v6 0/2] Don't set MD_BROKEN on failfast bio failure Kenta Akagi
2026-01-05 14:40 ` [PATCH v6 1/2] md: Don't set MD_BROKEN for RAID1 and RAID10 when using FailFast Kenta Akagi
2026-01-06  2:57   ` Li Nan
2026-01-06  7:59     ` Xiao Ni
2026-01-06  9:11       ` Li Nan
2026-01-06  9:25         ` Xiao Ni
2026-01-06 11:14           ` Li Nan
2026-01-06 12:30     ` Kenta Akagi
2026-01-07  2:09       ` Li Nan [this message]
2026-01-07  3:35       ` Xiao Ni
2026-01-07  6:43         ` Kenta Akagi
2026-01-16  2:04         ` Kenta Akagi
2026-09-17 13:58           ` Martin Wilck
2026-09-23  4:08             ` Kenta Akagi
2026-09-23  8:29               ` Martin Wilck
2026-09-24 16:27                 ` Kenta Akagi
2026-09-24 17:59                   ` Martin Wilck
2026-01-05 14:40 ` [PATCH v6 2/2] md/raid10: fix failfast read error not rescheduled Kenta Akagi

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