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From: "Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
To: "Hua Zhong" <hzhong@gmail.com>
Cc: "Hugh Dickins" <hugh@veritas.com>,
	"Bill Davidsen" <davidsen@tmr.com>,
	Linux-kernel <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>
Subject: Re: open(O_DIRECT) on a tmpfs?
Date: Fri, 5 Jan 2007 15:59:41 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9a8748490701050659r3715aa48j883c26201005d26c@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <9a8748490701050658n39f82791yb3d2e3c80f237a7e@mail.gmail.com>

On 05/01/07, Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 04/01/07, Hua Zhong <hzhong@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > I see that as a good argument _not_ to allow O_DIRECT on
> > > tmpfs, which inevitably impacts cache, even if O_DIRECT were
> > > requested.
> > >
> > > But I'd also expect any app requesting O_DIRECT in that way,
> > > as a caring citizen, to fall back to going without O_DIRECT
> > > when it's not supported.
> >
> > According to "man 2 open" on my system:
> >
> >        O_DIRECT
> >               Try to minimize cache effects of the I/O to and from this file.
> >               In  general  this will degrade performance, but it is useful in
> >               special situations, such as  when  applications  do  their  own
> >               caching.  File I/O is done directly to/from user space buffers.
> >               The I/O is synchronous, i.e., at the completion of the  read(2)
> >               or write(2) system call, data is guaranteed to have been trans-
> >               ferred.  Under Linux 2.4 transfer sizes, and the  alignment  of
> >               user  buffer and file offset must all be multiples of the logi-
> >               cal block size of the file system. Under Linux 2.6 alignment to
> >               512-byte boundaries suffices.
> >               A semantically similar interface for block devices is described
> >               in raw(8).
> >
> > This says nothing about (probably disk based) persistent backing store. I don't see why tmpfs has to conflict with it.
> >
> > So I'd argue that it makes more sense to support O_DIRECT on tmpfs as the memory IS the backing store.
> >
>
> I'd agree.  O_DIRECT means data will go direct to backing store, so if
> RAM *is* the backing store as in the tmpfs case, then I see why
> O_DIRECT should fail for it...
>
Whoops, that should of course have read " then I *DON'T* see why
O_DIRECT should fail" .

-- 
Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
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  reply	other threads:[~2007-01-05 14:59 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 20+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2007-01-04 11:52 Michael Tokarev
2007-01-04 13:08 ` Hugh Dickins
2007-01-04 16:19   ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-04 17:09     ` Hugh Dickins
2007-01-04 17:54       ` Peter Staubach
2007-01-04 18:11         ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-04 18:41       ` Hua Zhong
2007-01-04 19:14         ` Hugh Dickins
2007-01-04 19:35           ` Mark Lord
2007-01-05  6:57           ` Chen, Kenneth W
2007-01-05 14:38           ` Helge Hafting
2007-01-05 14:58         ` Jesper Juhl
2007-01-05 14:59           ` Jesper Juhl [this message]
2007-01-04 22:17     ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-05  5:30       ` Nick Piggin
2007-01-05 16:20       ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-06  0:30         ` Denis Vlasenko
2007-01-08 19:42           ` Bill Davidsen
2007-01-05 11:49   ` Michael Tokarev
     [not found] <7zzqw-SS-27@gated-at.bofh.it>
2007-01-04 14:47 ` Bodo Eggert

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