From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1762641AbXGEXup (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:50:45 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1759255AbXGEXui (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:50:38 -0400 Received: from nz-out-0506.google.com ([64.233.162.229]:8066 "EHLO nz-out-0506.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1759102AbXGEXuh (ORCPT ); Thu, 5 Jul 2007 19:50:37 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=beta; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:cc:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=r2nc3IiBpIdeifxc0VnXfwjPoifgxj8B+fRN0gS4UFA6n42rto1ju+zLxJhRshj1KwJHputXqyCbUFyOFIogbhKCtmJSCUe3zlZSqlejUMM4Mm+fr5mkBX6sxeeAvSKgb5TbnEdKkEW6zW6/a/oesxrNMwodxbE31xXc0TYIPI8= Message-ID: <9a8748490707051650o16a260fexf9b8d62c4a65db4f@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jul 2007 01:50:36 +0200 From: "Jesper Juhl" To: "Linus Torvalds" Subject: Re: [git pull][resend] Input updates for 2.6.22-rc7 Cc: "Dmitry Torokhov" , "Andrew Morton" , LKML In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: <200707050111.43327.dtor@insightbb.com> Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On 06/07/07, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > On Thu, 5 Jul 2007, Linus Torvalds wrote: > > > > It says your user-agent is "Kmail", and maybe there is some way to fix it. > > And if kmail is correct, please make a bug-report to the kmail people. > > Ok, googling for kmail, I think it really is kmail doing it, because I > find others complaining about the same idiocy. > > Btw, the others who noticed this weren't _nearly_ as polite as I am about > kmail. > > Apparently kmail - at least when cutting-and-pasting - will actually turn > every other space into an NBSP for some internal idiotic reason. So even > if you _originally_ had 8 spaces, Kmail will apparently corrupt your data > when cutting-and-pasting according to that other report I saw. > > Please stop using kmail, or ask for it to get fixed. > Or just configure it differently. I use kmail sometimes (either that or pine) and with a little config tweaking (and a few rules of thumb about use) it can actually be made to behave resonably fine. Here are a few tips; - Don't cut'n'paste stuff into kmail - Go to Settings --> Configure KMail, select Composer, remove the checkmark from "Word wrap at column ...". - Go to Settings --> Configure KMail, select Composer, go to the Charset tab, make the list read us-ascii, iso-8859-1 - just listing those two (in that order) seems to generate working mails. - Go to Settings --> Configure KMail, select Accounts, go to the Sending tab, make "Message property" be "Allow 8-bit". When writing a new message, check the Options menu, make sure Wordwrap is not enabled and that Encoding is us-ascii or iso-8859-1 (or possibly something else) - the auto-detect option seems to sometimes get things wrong. When inserting a patch or similar into a mail, use Message-->"Insert File" > I'm constantly surprised by just how _many_ ways MUA's find to screw up. 'pine' actually seems to work pretty damn well once you disable the flowed-text "feature". > It's not like they seem to all have some stupid bug. It's more like they > seem to all have willfully added code explicitly to mess up the content of > email, often with the goal of making it "look" right, even if it's crap. > > In this case, it means that you cannot cut-and-paste simple ASCII text, > because Kmail messed up. > Yeah, email is old, and there are too many ways to do things, too many conflicting RFC's, compeeting commercial implementations etc etc etc - the whole thing could do with a from-scratch re-implementation (as if that's going to happen)... -- Jesper Juhl Don't top-post http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/T/top-post.html Plain text mails only, please http://www.expita.com/nomime.html