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From: "Jesper Juhl" <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
To: "Willy Tarreau" <w@1wt.eu>
Cc: "Pavel Machek" <pavel@ucw.cz>,
	"Tomasz Chmielewski" <mangoo@wpkg.org>,
	LKML <linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org>,
	jbarnold@mit.edu, francois.cami@free.fr,
	"Andi Kleen" <andi@firstfloor.org>,
	mail@earthworm.de
Subject: Re: A system for rebootless kernel security updates
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2008 21:58:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9a8748490804271258p21d47ce8g8d720107f767faac@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20080427174947.GI8474@1wt.eu>

2008/4/27 Willy Tarreau <w@1wt.eu>:
> On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 12:17:00PM +0200, Pavel Machek wrote:
>  > On Thu 2008-04-24 16:26:44, Tomasz Chmielewski wrote:
>  > > Jeff Arnold wrote:
>  > >
>  > > >I've put together an automatic system for applying
>  > > >kernel security patches to the Linux kernel without
>  > > >rebooting it, and I wanted to share this system with
>  > > >the community in case others find it useful or
>  > > >interesting.
>  > >
>  > > Hmm, the idea seem to be patented by Microsoft, i.e.
>  > > this patent from December 2002:
>  > >
>  > > http://www.google.com/patents?id=cVyWAAAAEBAJ&dq=hotpatching
>  > >
>  > > (and other patents by Microsoft if you search for
>  > > "hotpatching").
>  >
>  > ...so US will not be able to fix security holes without reboot, good.
>  > Perhaps they fix their stupid laws after next worm outbreak...
>
>  Sounds like a bullshit patent. I remember having loaded a lot of NLM
>  patches under netware 4.0 in 96-97 without ever rebooting. I think
>  that the patches only redefined the faulty symbol(s) they wanted to
>  patch. That was pretty convenient because when in doubt, you could
>  simply unload the modules and get back to previous situation.
>

And then there's 'alternatives' that patch running code, there's kexec
and I guess you could even say that various root kits that patch the
running kernel get prior art on that patent ;)

-- 
Jesper Juhl <jesper.juhl@gmail.com>
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2008-04-27 19:58 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 23+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2008-04-24 14:26 Tomasz Chmielewski
2008-04-24 14:42 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-27 10:17 ` Pavel Machek
2008-04-27 17:00   ` Gilles Espinasse
2008-04-27 17:49   ` Willy Tarreau
2008-04-27 19:51     ` Oliver Pinter
2008-04-27 19:58     ` Jesper Juhl [this message]
2008-04-28 19:07 ` Bill Davidsen
2008-04-29 23:39 ` Jeff Arnold
  -- strict thread matches above, loose matches on Subject: below --
2008-04-23 18:59 Jeff Arnold
2008-04-23 21:37 ` FD Cami
2008-04-24 13:42 ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-28  6:18   ` Jeff Arnold
2008-04-28 10:29     ` Andi Kleen
2008-04-29  6:55       ` Jeff Arnold
2008-04-29 12:57         ` Dan Noe
2008-04-29 22:43           ` Jeff Arnold
2008-05-01 11:38         ` Enrico Weigelt
2008-05-01 13:35           ` David Collier-Brown
2008-04-24 13:43 ` Christian Hesse
2008-04-24 18:13   ` Jeff Arnold
2008-04-24 19:16     ` Christian Hesse
2008-04-28  6:11       ` Jeff Arnold

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