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From: Christian Loehle <christian.loehle@arm.com>
To: Peter Zijlstra <peterz@infradead.org>
Cc: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, mingo@redhat.com,
	vincent.guittot@linaro.org, dietmar.eggemann@arm.com,
	kayracizmeci@gmail.com, kprateek.nayak@amd.com,
	elif.topuz@arm.com, sh@gentwo.org
Subject: Re: [PATCH v2 1/5] sched/fair: Take slice protection into account when arming HRTICK
Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2026 15:01:15 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <9c7570ca-7d26-4497-ad11-bf5ce16cea83@arm.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20261001134320.GR2009045@noisy.programming.kicks-ass.net>

On 10/1/26 14:43, Peter Zijlstra wrote:
> On Thu, Oct 01, 2026 at 02:40:12PM +0100, Christian Loehle wrote:
>> EEVDF can end a task's slice protection before its virtual deadline when
>> shorter requests compete on the runqueue. update_curr() requests a new
>> selection once protection expires, but hrtick_start_fair() still arms the
>> timer for the virtual deadline. Without an intervening scheduling event,
>> the next opportunity to reconsider the task can therefore arrive much
>> later than the protection boundary.
>>
>> Arm the fair hrtick for the earlier of the virtual deadline and live
>> slice protection. Keep the deadline fallback once protection expires.
>> With RUN_TO_PARITY disabled, vprot remains the minimum progress quantum,
>> so the timer must reconsider current at that boundary too. A same-task
>> repick restarts the timer without renewing protection, so newly eligible
>> tasks can compete without waiting for another protected quantum.
>>
>> A wakeup can shorten protection without preempting current. The enqueue
>> path calls hrtick_update() before wakeup_preempt_fair() updates protection,
>> and hrtick_update() leaves an active timer alone. Recompute the fair
>> hrtick after update_protect_slice() changes vprot, including when a timer
>> is already active. If the new protection boundary has already passed,
>> request lazy rescheduling, as update_curr() does on protection expiry,
>> instead of falling back to the later deadline.
>>
> 
> Right, so I don't much like this. This wrecks the steady state behaviour
> in favour of our 'dodgy' wakeup heuristics.
> 
> I would much rather we stick to the paper for steady state, and let
> wakeups be wakeups.

Alright, I guess the same reasoning then for 5/5?
Again these are all just from throwing a bunch of artificial rt-app tests
against Vincent's patchset and seeing what sticks...

  reply	other threads:[~2026-10-01 14:01 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 13+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2026-10-01 13:40 [PATCH v2 0/5] sched/eevdf: Keep slice protection boundaries consistent Christian Loehle
2026-10-01 13:40 ` [PATCH v2 1/5] sched/fair: Take slice protection into account when arming HRTICK Christian Loehle
2026-10-01 13:43   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-01 14:01     ` Christian Loehle [this message]
2026-10-01 13:40 ` [PATCH v2 2/5] sched/eevdf: Share the slice protection calculation Christian Loehle
2026-10-01 13:40 ` [PATCH v2 3/5] sched/eevdf: Cap protection when current has the shortest slice Christian Loehle
2026-10-01 13:55   ` Peter Zijlstra
2026-10-01 13:57     ` Christian Loehle
2026-10-01 13:40 ` [PATCH v2 4/5] sched/eevdf: Keep expired protection expired across reweighting Christian Loehle
2026-10-01 16:46   ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-10-01 21:51     ` Christian Loehle
2026-10-02 14:57       ` Kayra Cizmeci
2026-10-01 13:40 ` [PATCH v2 5/5] sched/eevdf: Update protection after restoring current Christian Loehle

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