From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org via listexpand id S1759475AbZE1Ndf (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 May 2009 09:33:35 -0400 Received: (majordomo@vger.kernel.org) by vger.kernel.org id S1755242AbZE1Nd2 (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 May 2009 09:33:28 -0400 Received: from mail-qy0-f190.google.com ([209.85.221.190]:39891 "EHLO mail-qy0-f190.google.com" rhost-flags-OK-OK-OK-OK) by vger.kernel.org with ESMTP id S1754675AbZE1Nd2 convert rfc822-to-8bit (ORCPT ); Thu, 28 May 2009 09:33:28 -0400 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rcgttjXUa271joQGnfe8KAZAm4uogruhfjdLRWKVg3NmXEOgyXogYELQjxRXatcfti /793TCspDmq7OcxVUcmGPq66e9N4k253gjF0hdpjItff/cj2rbTCXStflZR7U5dsenXi kiwFpSRTQqOOBYga75Dhu7ZGYKRRzZsrCvoJw= MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <20090528101339.GV6805@pengutronix.de> References: <20090527162000.GM6805@pengutronix.de> <20090527234801.GP6805@pengutronix.de> <4A1DD3A0.3010501@freescale.com> <20090528000707.GR6805@pengutronix.de> <20090528095126.99DB4832E416@gemini.denx.de> <20090528101339.GV6805@pengutronix.de> Date: Thu, 28 May 2009 09:33:28 -0400 Message-ID: <9e4733910905280633u15546189q37a4b4080158249c@mail.gmail.com> Subject: Re: [RFC] [PATCH] Device Tree on ARM platform From: Jon Smirl To: Robert Schwebel Cc: Wolfgang Denk , Grant Likely , Scott Wood , devicetree-discuss , linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org, linux-arm-kernel@lists.arm.linux.org.uk, Janboe Ye , Timur Tabi , rmk@arm.linux.org.uk Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Sender: linux-kernel-owner@vger.kernel.org List-ID: X-Mailing-List: linux-kernel@vger.kernel.org On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 6:13 AM, Robert Schwebel wrote: > On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 11:51:26AM +0200, Wolfgang Denk wrote: >> True. From a commercial point of view this is a huge  problem  casued >> by the device tree - custumers who used to oder a BSP from commercial >> service providers (like Robert or me :-) now often find that all they >> need  to  do is to tweak the device tree to get their system running. >> Lost business. D*mn...  [Maybe this explains Robert's reluctance?] > > Wolfgang, you know me long enough to realize that this argument is > *crap*. > > Talking about business cases, it has turned out to be extremely > difficult to explain customers that the effort for the actual > functionality is only a little percentage of the work necessary to do > the oftree stuff right. The functionality has often worked after a few > hours, and until all oftrees have been solved, it often takes weeks. > > In result, this has already led to customers concluding that > > - mainline is not worth the effort And as an indirect customer of yours (via Phytec) I am spending a bunch of time submitting code you wrote to mainline. By not submitting code to mainline you prevent me from getting to security patches that have been made to later kernels. "port and forget" is evil should be banned. > - linux is overkill and one should better use cortex-bare-metal > > However, that is only our personal observation. > > rsc > -- > Pengutronix e.K.                           |                             | > Industrial Linux Solutions                 | http://www.pengutronix.de/  | > Peiner Str. 6-8, 31137 Hildesheim, Germany | Phone: +49-5121-206917-0    | > Amtsgericht Hildesheim, HRA 2686           | Fax:   +49-5121-206917-5555 | > -- > To unsubscribe from this list: send the line "unsubscribe linux-kernel" in > the body of a message to majordomo@vger.kernel.org > More majordomo info at  http://vger.kernel.org/majordomo-info.html > Please read the FAQ at  http://www.tux.org/lkml/ > -- Jon Smirl jonsmirl@gmail.com